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Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Thank you for sharing that. Your blog post definitely shed much more light onto the context of your comments, so I also appreciate your giving me the chance to keep my foot out of my mouth. ;-) First, your perspective raises the question for me, "Am I too focused on protecting my (future) teenage daughters, at the expense of not diligently analyzing their current environment?" Your approach here (of emphasizing mutua…

Re the logical progression: I imagine I could say a lot more about it. I spent time in therapy. I spent a lot of time reading, journaling, contemplating sexual morality and the like. So there is certainly a rich background that informed my thought process. But I laid out my logic as best I could concerning what I actually thought in concluding that emphasizing consent was the single strongest and most civilized measu…

"Still, I was not taught to shoot on the idea that I might need to kill a rapist. I find that a somewhat horrifying message to give a young woman."

And neither was that the message I intended to give them. It's an educational issue. I live on a farm and we kill a large portion of what we eat ourselves. Given a collapse of the supply-chain ecosystem that keeps grocery stores stocked with food, my family won't be scratching their heads wondering where the food went. I don't expect the global collapse of a food supply chain. I would guess it's statistically less likely to affect any one individual than rape is. But the tools for dealing with a worst-case scenario are best learned in advance. And so I intend to educate my children about self-defense in much the same way.

"I do not believe that overemphasizing a need to be prepared to physically assault another person is a means to teach women to not behave as prey in relation to men."

Isn't it similar to how you emphasized a need for mutual consent to your children? Moreover, isn't physical defense merely one more tool to pull out when others have crossed a boundary? I understand your argument that it isn't likely to be used, but it seems like you're drawing a distinction between the value of having boundaries and not letting people cross them, and the value of being able to reestablish those boundaries once crossed. Why do so strongly prefer the former to the latter?

This seems especially odd considering your own position of being physically capable of defense. Doesn't it seem like a good idea to have other women be as capable of defending themselves as you are?

"..., I will suggest you are putting your children at grave risk to view protecting their sexuality as an issue for their teen years."

That's the question I mentioned in my last post that your experience has raised for me. I intend to very carefully reconsider how I'm protecting my children in their current environment. Thanks for pointing me in that direction.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re the logical progression: I imagine I could say a lot more about it. I spent time in therapy. I spent a lot of time reading, journaling, contemplating sexual morality and the like. So there is certainly a rich background that informed my thought process. But I laid out my logic as best I could concerning what I actually thought in concluding that emphasizing consent was the single strongest and most civilized measu…

"Still, I was not taught to shoot on the idea that I might need to kill a rapist. I find that a somewhat horrifying message to give a young woman." And neither was that the message I intended to give them. It's an educational issue. I live on a farm and we kill a large portion of what we eat ourselves. Given a collapse of the supply-chain ecosystem that keeps grocery stores stocked with food, my family won't be scrat…

I feel like you have misunderstood me in exactly the way that I hoped to avoid by writing such a lengthy reply.

In brief: I have no problem with teaching kids how to defend themselves. But I think kids who know how to defend themselves but were never taught healthy boundaries are at greater risk than kids with zero training in "defense" but much clearer boundaries than average. My sons were never taught to shoot and never took martial arts. That did not prevent my oldest son from hitting or shoving classmates in elementary school who were refusing to respect his boundaries.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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As long as people realize that porn itself is a caricature of sex, then it's fine. Usually sex is a lot more clumsy, and a lot shorter than any of the porn movies you find on the web. Guys with huge penises that take 45 mins to climax, women with huge breasts that love to get finished on, etc, is not how most of the world is. It's certainly exciting to see, but it's totally unrealistic. It's sort of like martial arts…

> Hopefully the kids growing up today realize this. Martial arts - maybe. But if your never had sex and your only education on the topic is porn, then how could you know how it really looks like? And then you have your first, and second, and third time, and you feel a bit disappointed that it didn't feel or look like you expected, and even if you realize that porn is a caricature, you're still left wondering, how muc…

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Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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post #239

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> Hopefully the kids growing up today realize this. Martial arts - maybe. But if your never had sex and your only education on the topic is porn, then how could you know how it really looks like? And then you have your first, and second, and third time, and you feel a bit disappointed that it didn't feel or look like you expected, and even if you realize that porn is a caricature, you're still left wondering, how muc…

Since you already linked to Cindy Gallop, there is also the associated website: http://makelovenotporn.com/

Thank you :) Do also check out https://makelovenotporn.tv/

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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post #229

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The twelve steps are only suggestions in AA. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking (and that you act reasonably civil towards others in the group) You don't have to believe anything, pay money, look a certain way, there is no authority beyond the immediate consensus of the group. You actually don't even have to stop drinking. The practitioners are fond of helpful aphorisms, repeated almost…

"The twelve steps are only suggestions in AA" As far as my experience goes in going to meetings with friends and watching their progress (or not), they are made to know that completing the steps is essential to their recovery/stability, even if "suggestions". It is a cultural process. Perhaps ones that can be completed at their leisure and ability, but it's still a ritual considered more require d than suggested.

What you say is valid. Humans do group think, and the vast majority of people in AS view the "steps" as required. Not by any authority, but by their need for help. If you are not into that, it's harder to feel part of the club. But in the stated ideology of AA they are only suggestion. This is different from many other religious groups, who claim a unique and exclusive truth.

In practice, there is shockingly little authority exercised in AA there is literally no person or group who can kick someone out or impose sanctions on anyone.

I'm not saying it's not a weird group, it is, but it was founded by and populated by people who are in dire straights. It's not for everyone. I think it's an unfortunate development that attendance to AA is often compulsory by the legal system, social service system, and the treatment industry. But this is out of the control of AA, all are welcome who have a desire to stop drinking.

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