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Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

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Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

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post #49

Here is the reality. Serious concerns will get few votes. Things such as building a death star that are completely stupid and not serious get lots of votes. So what this is really saying is, "We're going to raise the threshold so we won't have to waste effort replying to your death star petitions, and btw we don't give a fuck about the little man and never did. Fuck you. Case closed. Now if we can get the media to sp…

The change in policy means that instead of needing 0.013% of the voting age population to sign your petition you need 0.052%.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28+25%2C000+people+%2F...

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28+100%2C000+people+%2...

Please leave the hyperbole and fatalistic rhetoric on other sites.

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

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The founders of the United States knew that a representative democracy (what they termed a "republic") has some distinct advantages over direct democracy. This fact was discussed at length in the jointly authored Federalist Papers. http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fedpapers.html History shows that this fact is rediscovered in each new generation through hard experience, on a bipartisan basis.

I clicked, and I see a long list of papers. Which one is the relevant one to this topic? I'd like to read them all, but can't afford that much time right now...

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

#104
post #58
post #26

Wow, that infographic is misleading. http://cl.ly/image/2n1H2Q0z1919 They quote that "162 responses" number right after saying "petitions must receive 100k signatures", when none of those responded to had to have received 100k signatures. Additionally, 2.1 million signatures (responded to) divided by 162 petitions (responded to) is an average of 12,963 signatures per petition. The largest petition ever - obviously an…

There is one important number missing from the infographics in this blog post. Difference Made: 0

Do you think it is better not to provide any website for registering opinions?

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

#105
post #91
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which begs the question: why are people petitioning the White House to have their states secede from the Union? That's just stupid on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin.

I read it as evidence of the erosion of state's rights. Perception is reality and those folks clearly thought they needed Daddy DC's permission. We nationalize too many issues on which our nation is deeply divided. If, instead of bickering for years over an issue in Congress, we pushed those decisions back to the states, then local initiatives would be put into place. With time, the right solutions would naturally de…

Of course the states do not need DC's permission to form the Confederacy... even grade schoolers know the Articles of Confederation provide the constitutional basis for secession. ;)

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

#106
post #89

Wasn't the whole thing set up so the government could spam the signers - like every other petition site?

I've received no emails as a result of signing any petition. I think this is just a much more direct way for the government to pretend it cares what we want while continuing to do whatever it pleases.

Do you really expect the White House to unilaterally implement policy on account of a few thousand 'online votes', a significant number of which might be dupes or astroturf? Congress remains the way legislation gets passed no matter how many feedback websites the executive makes.

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

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post #104
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is one important number missing from the infographics in this blog post. Difference Made: 0

Do you think it is better not to provide any website for registering opinions?

Neither better nor worse? We the people, already know what we the people want. Writing it down doesn't make much difference. Maybe for the sake of posterity?

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

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post #53
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For conflicting evidence, I would point to the California initiative process, which is the reason California's government is nonfunctional and almost bankrupt right now.

California's government is nonfunctional and almost bankrupt right now because California is a One-Party State, and that party likes to buy itself votes with other people's money and then get people like you to blame everything wrong on someone else. Give the Entitled Party credit: they've destroyed the state's finacial situation, but hey, they've got a total lock on the state. So its all been a big success on the on…

California became a one-party state in 2012. Prior to 2012, it was very much a two-party state, and the problems date as far back as the 1990s, when it was still considered a swing state.

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

#109
post #106
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've received no emails as a result of signing any petition. I think this is just a much more direct way for the government to pretend it cares what we want while continuing to do whatever it pleases.

Do you really expect the White House to unilaterally implement policy on account of a few thousand 'online votes', a significant number of which might be dupes or astroturf? Congress remains the way legislation gets passed no matter how many feedback websites the executive makes.

No, of course not. But if they've created this platform to make our voices heard, I expect them to listen. Just like writing my elected officials, every White House petition I've signed has gotten me either no response or a tactfully-worded "fuck you, go away"

Re: Why We’re Raising the Signature Threshold for We the People

#110
post #105
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it as evidence of the erosion of state's rights. Perception is reality and those folks clearly thought they needed Daddy DC's permission. We nationalize too many issues on which our nation is deeply divided. If, instead of bickering for years over an issue in Congress, we pushed those decisions back to the states, then local initiatives would be put into place. With time, the right solutions would naturally de…

Of course the states do not need DC's permission to form the Confederacy... even grade schoolers know the Articles of Confederation provide the constitutional basis for secession. ;)

Not if you went to grade school in America!

/wishes I was joking.

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