Introducing Graph Search • Hacker News Board

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by isameer » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:49 PM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #28

aviswanathan wrote: post #18

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if you watch the video on the bottom part of the page with Zuck, one of them explicitly says how this product competes with Google. Something about how if two people search for Apple on Google, they'll get the same results, but if they search Apple on FB Graph Search, they'll get personalized results. It's really interesting from a technology perspective the way that sea…

> one of them explicitly says how this product competes with Google. Something about how if two people search for Apple on Google, they'll get the same results, but if they search Apple on FB Graph Search, they'll get personalized results. Except that's not true. Google personalizes results for users and also sometime integrates social aspects (through Google+). If I search for pizza I see a map of pizza places close…

Yeah that was a little bit of an exaggeration but I kind of see her point. Personalization in search engines is mostly at the cohort level, not at the individual. To use your example of a local search, the results are the same for the few thousand people who live in that zip code. More broadly, search engine results are not personalized as much as they are sensitive to location, gender, broad preferences, etc. Facebook results, on the other hand, really involve you as a person on a very fine level - your friends, etc.

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by ghostnappa » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:51 PM UTC

Irregardless wrote: post #64

Great, now I have even more reason to stop tagging friends, like fewer things, tighten my privacy restrictions, and tell friends to stop tagging me or checking me in to places. I have no interest in my personal info being used for their search engine, nor do I want friends of friends (i.e. strangers) to contact me just because I like the same TV show or went to their favorite restaurant.

there is always Path

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by isameer » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:52 PM UTC

aganek wrote: post #60

I think this a big deal. The first step to a Yelp killer? Type in "Italian Restaurant" and get back list of all the restaurants your friends have checked into. A recommendation engine. For now, its mostly to filter your facebook data. But do you think it can expand and become the goto search engine, ala google?

Agree. There are a large class of Facebook applications that are really UIs slapped on top of graph search queries. I guess this would get really interesting in a practical sense once Facebook opens up an API for these queries.

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by djhworld » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:53 PM UTC

simonsarris wrote: post #53

This is an important step for Facebook and I'm surprised no one has really mentioned it (all ~50 comments so far are about the graph search). The big thing here isn't graph search, or the fancy searching per se. The big thing here is this: > "and meet new people, too." This is huge. Huge! Facebook from the start was envisioned as a sort-of dating platform but that part of it got swept under the rug real quick. Throug…

Isn't this just meetup.com but with the bonus of more "personalised" content tailored to your facebook profile?

I'm trying to work out if this is a good idea or not. Do privacy settings still apply when you join a group?

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by tferris » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:54 PM UTC

This product doesn't make sense at all.

I can just query useless data from my peer group or the friends of friends group. Data which I already know and not care about.

But I cannot ask the really interesting questions about all Facebook users:

"Show me all female singles nearby with at least 30 profile photos each"

"Show me all female singles nearby which love to chat and respond messages within 2 hours on average."

"Show all females within one mile and poke them all automatically"

This thing is as it is half-baked: the name, the product, just everything -- far away from being "huge".

BTW, those kind of looking-for-female-singles-in-my-city-queries were very easy in FB's early days for quite a long time. Then, I poked them all in my city and got a conversion (poke2reply) of about 1:15.

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by acheron » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:55 PM UTC

simonsarris wrote: post #53

This is an important step for Facebook and I'm surprised no one has really mentioned it (all ~50 comments so far are about the graph search). The big thing here isn't graph search, or the fancy searching per se. The big thing here is this: > "and meet new people, too." This is huge. Huge! Facebook from the start was envisioned as a sort-of dating platform but that part of it got swept under the rug real quick. Throug…

Let's see... new search: "Find [single] [females] with [poor self-esteem]". Jackpot!

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by xk_id » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:57 PM UTC

Irregardless wrote: post #89

simonsarris wrote: post #53

This is an important step for Facebook and I'm surprised no one has really mentioned it (all ~50 comments so far are about the graph search). The big thing here isn't graph search, or the fancy searching per se. The big thing here is this: > "and meet new people, too." This is huge. Huge! Facebook from the start was envisioned as a sort-of dating platform but that part of it got swept under the rug real quick. Throug…

> This is huge. Huge! Quite the opposite, in my opinion. People don't like being bothered by strangers on Facebook. It's weird and creepy, especially so when it's a guy contacting a girl. This could be seen as a disincentive to share if you don't want your face popping up on search results for people outside your immediate network. It also makes friends who are ignorant or careless about privacy more of a liability.…

I kindof get the feeling facebook conveys an autistic interpretation of human social interactions.

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by gradys » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:57 PM UTC

DannyBee wrote: post #39

_pius wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook can solve this algorithmically without you needing to have a "clean social graph" or write complex queries to exclude your grandmother.

Proof? Most of these algorithms build models that do affinity weighting, and then try to guess at how the same some other person is as me (which is hard across such a variety of attributes). There is no magic, so please explain the math/algorithms you think would work here. (Sorry, it's just a lot of people wave the magic "algorithm" flag when faced with hard problems)

Well, Facebook can tell how often you interact with certain people. They can determine certain things about the content of those interactions. They can detect how similar your friend graph is to another person's. They know that your grandma is your grandma (if you have told them, of course), and they know, for example, that most people don't want to hang out with their grandma.

I haven't given you pseudocode for an actual algorithm, but I can imagine that Facebook could combine all of these metrics into an index that can tell them roughly how likely you are to want to hang out with certain people.

Re: Introducing Graph Search

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Post by trendspotter » Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 7:58 PM UTC

pault wrote: post #95

trendspotter wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far you can only search entities related to the friends of your friends. A journalist who was at the FB live event said.

For most people, friends of friends is a very large, semi-curated group of people.

The Facebook default sharing (just some timr ago, or still) is that share to your friends of friends. Or at least you could see the images of friends of friends.