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Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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I can speak quite a bit about this "industry": We (VLC) receive 1 of those offers per day. They are liars, shady business, IP violators and are downright dangerous. They have all those great offers for you, but they refuse to give any details as soon as you ask any question. More than half of them are "the biggest in the world" (sic). They lie about download numbers, about download size, about number of software actu…

"They are liars, shady business, IP violators and are downright dangerous." This is completely prejudice! You've never met Install Monetizer, and don't know if they participate in the same activities as the companies that you're referring to. "I believe OP is very polite: There are no good reasons to not shame them publicly." This is childish, and I'd expect better from any contributing member of VLC.

I'd give him some lenience...for anyone who distributes desktop software via the web, there is a continuous battle against fake or wrapped distributions.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #101

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One thing to keep in mind is that YC funds groups. If a team is funded to do one thing, then pivots to doing something else later, it's not like YC is going to de-fund you. (I don't know anything about this specific company)

Surely that can be abused? What could this group have possibly pivoted from? http://www.installmonetizer.com/AT_aboutus.php Plus there are photos of them at YC with their company logo above - they clearly did not pivot.

Funny, the site is blocked at my office: "Malicious Sources;Scam/Questionable/Illegal"....

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #6

Winzip and Nero use the Ask Partner Network (I used to work there on the Ask Toolbar) to monetize their free software, so that is probably where that first email came from. http://apn.ask.com/ There's also conduit: http://toolbar.conduit.com/

> Winzip and Nero use the Ask Partner Network Sadly, on Windows even Oracle's Java has the ASK toolbar. Almost nobody has any pride left on the Windows-platform, user-abuse is rampant, almost expected. It's killing the platform and there's nothing Microsoft can do about it.

> It's killing the platform and there's nothing Microsoft can do about it.

They could have made a real Windows Store instead of a WinRT-only store.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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It's even worse, according to http://www.installmonetizer.com/AT_aboutus.php one of the "advisors" - Arjun Bedi - works for Microsoft! Working to destroy his own platform. Classy.

Or encourage people to use the MS appstore on Windows 8.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #49

I can speak quite a bit about this "industry": We (VLC) receive 1 of those offers per day. They are liars, shady business, IP violators and are downright dangerous. They have all those great offers for you, but they refuse to give any details as soon as you ask any question. More than half of them are "the biggest in the world" (sic). They lie about download numbers, about download size, about number of software actu…

You may be right about the industry as a whole, but I'm betting you're wrong about this particular instance based on what I know about PG and YC. When I was reading the original TC article, I was thinking that there is actually an incredible opportunity here to create a legitimate ad network that would allow desktop developers to monetize similarly to how it's done on the web - to basically become the DoubleClick of…

They advertise that they convert 60-85% of their installs. When that percentage of users installs crapware they're clearly being tricked into it. So it doesn't look like this is a trustworthy company at all.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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How exactly is a regular customer going to know what to type and where? Many have trouble with a GUI, let alone a CLI. And Archlinux is just one of many distros and has its own idiosyncracies (e.g. "Pacman" isn't going to work on Ubuntu out the box). Installation of crapware has nothing to do with ease of installation, you've just purposefully made it seem drawn out. You could've just said Google "CD to MP3" and a fe…

I am a linux user (linux mint cinnamon). When I need a new software, I launch the software manager, I type in the search criteria. This gives me a list of software. When I click a software, I have a list of users feedbacks and an install button. When I click install, it asks for my password and that is all. When I am on the command line and I type a command that is not installed, I get: jef@sweethome ~ $ 7z The progr…

I have Ubuntu and the software manager works fine. I was just responding to the the comment that somehow the command line is easier than Windows's GUI for a regular user. Windows 8 and, presumably, future versions of Windows will have the same store format.

Regardless, I think your XBMC example highlights the difference. Ask a user to click on "Windows" from the XMBC download page and immediately the familiar installer starts downloading. Do the same for Linux and you're taken to a Wiki page. I doubt many regular users would know what Linux distro/version they're running let alone feel comfortable typing in those lines. For example Ubuntu, which is likely the most popular distro, includes these instructions:

"Make sure to have the multiverse repository enabled, see /etc/apt/sources.list, it is needed for libfaad0, otherwise you get

xbmc: Depends: xbmc-data (= 2:10.00~svn35648-lucid1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages

For more details, see the HOW-TO install XBMC for Linux on Ubuntu, a Step-by-Step Guide page"

The guides are more wikis the user has to read. This is where I think the familiarity and standard installer process of Windows outshines the ease of Linux. As for the crapware and such, that's a different issue which, as seen from this post, is a problem with Windows software more than Linux.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #151

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Maybe because I spent almost 3 hours per week to clean it.

What do you do, what proportion of your time is advancing yours or flagging them?

Sorry, I cannot answer to that publicly. Mail me.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #182

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After reading some comments and noticing that you're one of the VLC lead developers (awesome software, by the way!), I am wondering if you have a way to make VLC notify its users at the first launch (after install) and tell them something like "You have installed VLC, it should have come without any additional software such as tool bars or file compressors. If this was not your case, you probably installed it from a…

VLC is open source. It would be trivial for a rebundler to remove that warning. If they are violating the license already, there seems to be no impediment to changing the code for personal gain.

VLC for Windows is hard to compile to be honest. But binary patching is doable, indeed.

Re: Y Combinator is funding the future of spam in Windows

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post #49

I can speak quite a bit about this "industry": We (VLC) receive 1 of those offers per day. They are liars, shady business, IP violators and are downright dangerous. They have all those great offers for you, but they refuse to give any details as soon as you ask any question. More than half of them are "the biggest in the world" (sic). They lie about download numbers, about download size, about number of software actu…

Please please please create auto-subtitles functionality for VLC on the Mac. I switched from Windows recently and there's nothing compared to Media Player Classic for easy subtitles. Thanks thanks thanks.

What do you mean?
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