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Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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> when was the last time that a YC-funded startup really did anything new? Considering how many there are of them, probably within the last couple days. But instead of me giving you an example to which you will predictably reply "that's not really new," how about you giving us an example of a non-YC startup you think is doing something really new, so we can see what level of really-newness it would take to satisfy yo…

Why don't you fund a few (or at least one) "crazy" startups like Anybots? Because that's probably the coolest thing YC-related! Are you only interested in web stuff, or is it a lack of serious applications? Here are a few "cool" ventures I have in mind: http://www.armadilloaerospace.com http://www.intellasys.net http://www.teslamotors.com

You don't count justin.tv as crazy?

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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Analogue: no one ever gets penalized for upvoting comments that have already been upvoted several times. Same basic idea.

No, college is more like this: You see somebody, "Jd", (except let's call him "Harvard") who already got a lot of upmods, and you attach yourself to him by replying (except, let's say "applying") and bang now my comment is closer to the top of the page. More people read it, leading to an extra opportunity to gain Karma. Of course, if I don't stay "on topic" (let's say "go to class") people will notice and downmod me…

Absolutely. My comment was more directed towards those that evaluate/hire ivy-league/equiv. grads. Yours is correct re: why people attend such schools.

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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But it DOES matter where you go to college, and the essay itself argues for that.

In this context, we can say there are three things that can determine someone's success:

1) confidence others have in you

2) self-confidence

3) actual ability

Going to a "good" college affects 1 and 2 the most, and arguably 3 the least. In a startup 3 and 2 are arguably the most important, and 1 the least - so I guess that agrees with pg's argument. In the corporate world, 1 and 2 matter the most, and 3 the least - aligned with what a brand-name college provides.

So the argument seems a bit circular: based on the yc sample set, college doesn't matter because college doesn't matter to the yc sample set. Even if that SHOULD extend to the world at large, it doesn't.

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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We considered that, but there's more information there than just a scalar value representing impressiveness.

Can you expand on that? What kind of information?

We can tell which founders went to the same school. We can ask people who teach at or went to school x about applicants from there. If they went to a school we know about first hand, we can ask more specific questions about what they did in college. If they went to a big hacker school like MIT, we can suggest that they recruit friends and/or launch their beta there.

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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I liked this article, if for the simple fact that it can only help my cause (I graduated, though not from a prestigious school)! The whole time I was going to school I was super impatient to get done so I could actually get working on something real. I was really just after the piece of paper they give you at the end (though I never attended my graduation to get that paper, and the original was sent to the wrong hous…

It's tempting to dismiss the experience gained at college as being not useful or applicable, but from my experience, there is generally a noticeable difference between those who learned all the fundamentals (e.g. college level math, physics, language theory), and those who are self taught.

There are alot of really talented self-taught coders out there, but for the rest of us, the breadth of understanding from slogging through those boring lectures on BNF, multi variable calculus, and linear algebra gave us an incredible analytical base thats easy to assume we always had.

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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When I was in college, I figured out that the education you get doesn't really change. However, what does change is the people that you are associating with. At the "elite" colleges, there is a greater percentage of smart students, which lends itself to more productive discussions and more difficult tests that force you to challenge yourself. Also, it is like the difference between the regular classes in high school…

This essay posits that choice of college doesn't act as a success indicator when evaluating a pool of people. That's addressing a different question from whether choice of college acts as a success factor for individuals.

Uh oh. Actually the second half is about the latter. Is that not clear?

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand on that? What kind of information?

We can tell which founders went to the same school. We can ask people who teach at or went to school x about applicants from there. If they went to a school we know about first hand, we can ask more specific questions about what they did in college. If they went to a big hacker school like MIT, we can suggest that they recruit friends and/or launch their beta there.

makes sense. thanks.

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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When I was taking an education theory class we had to do simulated admissions. We had to do three applicants every ten minutes, which works out to just over three minutes per app. In that amount of time you can quickly scan over the grades and SATs, and maybe read the first paragraph of each essay if you're lucky. The other thing I learned is that the real admissions officers got statistics updates twice a day for the average GPA and SAT score, and also the projected US News rank. This means that whether or not your grades and SATs were good enough depended largely on whether your app was read before or after lunch, because what it took to get into the college completely changed every time they were handed the new report.

For low income minority students there was an option to set the app aside for a second reading in order to learn more about the student's situation and if there were an ameliorating factors, but for the rest of the students the admissions officers were expected to make a decision on the first pass after the three minutes.

Athletes also largely got pre-approved by the academic department they were applying for, so they pretty much knew whether they'd be accepted before they ever applied. The flip side is that they only got an edge in admissions if they applied early decision, because if they were going to bring down the average GPA then they had to bring up the average matriculation in order to not affect the overall US News rank.

I think it's one of those things like eVoting. That is, people with no CS experience think eVoting is totally secure whereas CS experts know it isn't. Similarly, I highly suspect that anyone who thinks getting admitted to an Ivy shows a certain baseline level of respectability has never worked in admissions. I'd guarantee it.

As for the importance of college GPA, if you want to see something funny then apply for a wall street job. If they ask you what your GPA was in college, ask them how GPA correlates with alpha. :-)

The craziest thing was that Google did a massive HR survey and determined that there was basically zero correlation between college GPA and value created for the company. Because of this they decided that they would give jobs to five or six people with sub 3.0 GPAs each year. Well if there is little or no correlation, why should it matter what GPA is at all? I suspect the psychology behind the Google hiring process has a lot in common with the psychology of female circumcision. That is, it was done to me so it must be a good thing. And if it's a good thing, then by definition it must be good to do unto others.

edit: fixed a few grammatical errors

Re: Paul Graham: News from the Front

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Anyone have that awesome quote from Bowling for Columbine where Moore is interviewing South Park co-creator Matt Stone and Stone explains the supposed consequences of not getting into honors classes in the 3rd grade?

They're like, "Don't screw this up...or you won't get into honors math in 7th grade...and you'll just die poor and lonely." http://www.eslnotes.com/movies/word/Bowling-for-Columbine.do...

Thanks for the effort, but I think he phrased it differently.
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