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Re: I hate the news

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I completely disagree with Aaron, but I respect his opinion. Reading the news is incredibly important, and it shapes your understanding of culture and circumstances outside your social bubble, which in turn affects your future social interactions.

I feel like your point was already covered in his essay though I could be missing something.

> Others say that sure, most of the stuff in the news isn’t of use, but occasionally you’ll come across some story that will lead you to actually change what you’ve been working on. But really, how plausible is this? Most people’s major life changes don’t come from reading an article in the newspaper; they come from reading longer-form essays or thoughtful books, which are much more convincing and detailed.

Most people I know who I would class as common, though I do not mean this in a demeaning or derogatory way, watch the unfiltered mass news daily or at least weekly—like Aaron described. They'll get home from work and turn on the 5PM news or have the radio going. Yet these people are common in that they work a 9-5 job they often complain about, they seek to buy a bigger TV and have a family holiday once a year or two.

They know a hell of a lot more than others about current events but effect little change, it seems, in their own lives or those around them. If the majority of people watch the news regularly, why isn't there more change? If the TV was off, perhaps people would be outside a little bit more? Maybe us Westerners would know more about our local area than we do about popular topic x in foreign country y.

Others who have agreed with you also seemed to have had their own comments already answered by Aaron and here have had others quote those parts back to them.

Re: I hate the news

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post #26

related, possibly of interest: [1] R. Dobelli. Avoid News. Aug 2010. --> http://dobelli.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Avoid_News_Par... [2] C. A. Johnson. The Information Diet: A Case for Conscious Consumption. O’Reilly, 2012. i myself am conflicted about the news. i agree with most of the negative points both by OP and the above; but i also feel i actually do learn something from the news, esp. as i have a relative…

You're different though to the majority of people. It seems as if Aaron was making a case more so for the bland, mass news spewed out through the TV about wild stories and dirty things.

Re: I hate the news

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Relevant: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-gel...

> Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

Journalists are people who know little of anything writing about everything.

Re: I hate the news

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Relevant: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-gel... > Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents th…

Depends on the journalist and publication. I at least like to think I understood the topics I wrote about when I was writing stories a couple of years ago. But I wrote for a niche publication, not a general news site, so I wasn't required to write about "everything," just the subset I was familiar with.

Re: I hate the news

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Relevant: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-gel... > Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents th…

Depends on the journalist and publication. I at least like to think I understood the topics I wrote about when I was writing stories a couple of years ago. But I wrote for a niche publication, not a general news site, so I wasn't required to write about "everything," just the subset I was familiar with.

Also The Economist is frequently not totally clueless about computer technology.

Re: I hate the news

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post #18
post #17

"I think following the news is a waste of time." I'm sure this plaid a role in him being so productive. But I do think its my obligation to read the news. Even if it makes me less productive. Without the news I would have never learned about Aarons hack and his trial. Of course, just knowing the news is not enough. One has to act. In the case of Aaron, we didn't act.

Without the news I would have never learned about Aarons hack and his trial. Maybe it depends on how you define "news". Everything I know about Aaron Swartz, I know from following links I encountered here. True, this is a "news" site, but it's filtered news; I think that's an important point. The problem with "mainstream" news media is not just that they're bad at reporting; they're also bad at filtering, because the…

> The problem with "mainstream" news media is not just that they're bad at reporting; they're also bad at filtering, because their filter criterion is what will sell papers/get more viewers,

Here we filter for karma..

Re: I hate the news

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the journalist and publication. I at least like to think I understood the topics I wrote about when I was writing stories a couple of years ago. But I wrote for a niche publication, not a general news site, so I wasn't required to write about "everything," just the subset I was familiar with.

Also The Economist is frequently not totally clueless about computer technology.

Completely agree. There are many great journalists out there. How easy it is to cherry pick or dismiss journalism based on examples of how bad it can be.

fwiw, I couldn't agree less with this article. In fact, it scares me that an educated person could think this way.

RS

Re: I hate the news

#68
post #51

It is ironic that 'news' of his death has attracted attention to this article.

I wonder if Aaron would still agree that, in spending time reading coverage of this, we have not really changed our opinions or learned anything relevant to our lives? He sounds like a pragmatist, and I think he would.

Personally, as devil's advocate, reading the reports of yet another intelligent young person being pressured and victimized by the sickly allied commercial/government capitalist establishment (of their own country), it redoubles my stance that current era government lacks any honest sense of democracy; we desperately need to claw back the power of nations (and business) against the individual. (Assange is in some senses leading the charge here, and doing a good job!)

My point though is that sometimes news helps contribute to general impressions like this. I think that can be as valuable as the concrete relevant new life-actionable information that Aaron points out correctly is usually missing from news.

In short I agree with Aaron, but there are counter-points. (I haven't watched/read news regularly since pretty much ever... but consider myself reasonably informed on the issues behind the issues, ie. structure of government, general state of society in different parts of the world, methods of oppression. But that knowledge comes from the hacking community and travel (eg. Tunisia during revolution, many years living in China, some time in US&UK, Europe, most of Asia, etc.) not from mainstream news.)

Does anyone here still read news on a daily basis? If so, why?

Re: I hate the news

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    Let us look at the front page of today’s New
    York Times....there is a story about
    Republicans feuding among themselves.... a
    photo of soldiers in Iraq. A stock exchange
    chief must return $100M... a concern about
    some doctors over-selling a nerve testing
    system... a threat from China against North
    Korea... a report that violence in Iraq is
    rising. And there is concern about virtual
    science classes replacing real ones.

    None of these stories have relevance to my
    life. Reading them may be enjoyable, but it’s
    an enjoyable waste of time. They will have no
    impact on my actions one way or another.
	
Considering the defining cause of Aaron's life, and apparently the straw that pushed him to end, turned out to be information liberation, including freeing access to legal and science documents, the latter strongly tied to "virtual science classes", I'd say Aaron misjudged the relevance of news to his life.

I absolutely agree that most news is immaterial. That said, having lived over twice Aaron's age when he wrote this essay, what I've found is that sometimes the news does affect me, occasionally directly. Not terribly often, but I've had bosses nominated to government office by presidents, companies I work for turn up in major fraud investigations, former colleagues sentenced to Federal prison, acquaintances convicted of murder. Understanding economic patterns can help guide decisions and actions. Even weather and traffic can be useful at times.

This doesn't mean that Fox News blaring in the corner is the best way to assimilate this information. Even selecting more fair and balanced (to say nothing of appropriate and informative) sources, I find myself switching from voice to music (increasingly classical) simply to avoid driving myself to distraction.

But a brief, well-curated, reliable news source can be both broadening and useful. Key is to let it serve, not drive you. It need not be a daily habit (though it often is).

I've also had numerous inspirations from "softer" programming via NPR and similar outlets -- culture, arts, and science programming can re-frame or contextualize problems I'm working on, and remind me that there are worlds outside my own experience (check your biases, always a first source of errors).

Re: I hate the news

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post #53
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet what alternative is there? If you follow the news you're placing the same trust in journalists. To become a truly informed voter, not relying on others' summary explanations, would be more than a full-time career.

How about people that are like-minded band together and dedicate one person to research all of the issues and present them, or an issue per person (or something else)?

people that are like-minded band together and dedicate one person to research all of the issues and present them

That sounds a lot like what FOX News does actually.

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