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Did porn warp me forever?

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Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Does it make sense to teach this to children? Just like "Smoking isn't good for your health."(which I believe worked for me) you could teach "Porn isn't good for you, if you want to enjoy sex."

It'd make more sense to go broader and teach that due to how our brains work, all pleasure becomes diluted the more we have. Therefore, it is desirable to avoid living in unrestricted excess, be it with drugs, sex, food, or what have you. One should have control over their pleasures, not the other way around.

  We have tested and tasted too much, lover--
  Through a chink too wide there comes in no wonder.
  But here in the Advent-darkened room
  Where the dry black bread and the sugarless tea
  Of penance will charm back the luxury
  Of a child's soul, we'll return to Doom
  the knowledge we stole but could not use.
(Advent, Kavanagh)

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Does it make sense to teach this to children? Just like "Smoking isn't good for your health."(which I believe worked for me) you could teach "Porn isn't good for you, if you want to enjoy sex."

It makes sense, if taught properly. But I would expect this to be yet another thing taught with the "daddy knows best" attitude that speaks in simplistic absolutes to make sure they instill their desired outcome rather than share a proper perspective with plenty of nuance and hope that the children come to the same conclusions as the person teaching. That is a very dangerous road to take. It depends on the message being correct, and the child to never rebel from that message when they wise up to the fact they weren't given the full picture and never succumb to their desires.

For me, in this day and age, its really hard to say one way or the other. How poorly done and/or wrong will it be, and is having it done that way better than nothing? I can't know, but I suspect that with societal attitudes on sex, "some porn is fine, how much is too much is different for everybody and here's how to tell where the line is" is too complicated of a message to effectively communicate. If it is even allowed to be communicated at all. Don't forget widespread acceptance of "abstinence only" rubbish isn't far behind us, I'm reminded of this every time I visit family in the South and see the big labels on every gas station condom dispenser reminding me that the only real way to avoid HIV/AIDS is monogamy and abstinence before marriage. Whereas growing up in the North, we didn't even have those dispensers. I suspect their presence is related to the greater taboos about sex in those areas, but in the north I was never scared away from buying rubbers at the counter when I was young.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Does it make sense to teach this to children? Just like "Smoking isn't good for your health."(which I believe worked for me) you could teach "Porn isn't good for you, if you want to enjoy sex."

I think the problem is our society's denigration of sex. We see it as consisting inherently of that mix of thrill and shame - when you're a teenager growing up in America, you're told to feel that way about any nudity, never mind penetration. So you come to associate arousal with this guilt - you never experience the one without the other - and then when you're looking for something to turn you on you're already feel…

> So you come to associate arousal with this guilt

That's part of the puritanical and (maybe any religious) mind control. People need to feel guilty so they self-police themselves, and it also has to be something that is common (such as sex) so everyone is always guilty. Guilty people are vulnerable and easily controlled.

This has to be planted early in the childhood, then it sort of becomes automatic and not that easy to unlearn. Even rationally if some admit there is nothing wrong with this or that, they'll still feel guilty -- it because it becomes part of their personality.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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I know this is outing myself but this is my personal experience. I won't post anonymously in case anyone wants to contact me. I came to the realization about 2 years that I am addicted to porn. For anyone out there struggling with the same thing, it can get better and yes, it is probably having a negative influence on your life. Previously I would look about once per week but in the past 6 months, I have probably viewed only 3 or 4 times and am hopeful going forward that I will never view it again.

The difference between internet porn and porn from the past is just the abundance of new material that there is. Each time you view something new, your brain gives a hit of dopamine. In fact, porn addicts are not really addicted to porn, they're addicted to the chemical sensations that their brain provides. At the basic level, it really is not much different from any other addiction. Old, offline porn is different in that it gets stale pretty quickly. There are only so many times you can look at a magazine or video without it getting boring.

The problem with this is that your dopamine levels get out of whack. You need a higher and higher amount to feel satisfied. This is how people get roped in. This also caused normal, life things that were once enjoyable to become less so, such as hanging out with friends or programming. Life just becomes more dull. In fact, now that I have learned about this, whenever I see a post on HN about how someone has lost their interest in programming or other activities, the first thing I think of is probably this person has a porn addiction. It's not a far stretch seeing as how most of HN is young men. Having drastically reduced the amount I see, I have noticed many benefits in my life including better health and ability to focus better.

Porn, like other addictions, are also a way of masking stress and a way of distracting yourself from negative emotions. Dr. Gabor Mate has done great research linking addictions of any kind to stresses in the body. Porn gives a way to temporarily release the stress but puts the person in a vicious cycle of causing more long-term stress.

Personally, I use the recovery information from http://www.feedtherightwolf.org. It has been the only thing I have across which can really break the cycle.

As someone else pointed out the videos from http://yourbrainonporn.com/your-brain-on-porn-series will really help you understand what is going on in your brain.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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There is just something really wrong here, and even if it may appear cliché, it is really not cliché. There is a great confusion between sex and desire. Making love with someone is not about having sex, it is about desiring someone. This works only if you share a real intimacy, i.e. if you let this intimacy exist between you two. The arousal doesn't come from sexual prowesses, but just because you desire that specific person you share your intimacy with. After, sex for sex, is always about fantasies, power... in a word, "fun" ( even when it's not fun ;) ) And then there is hygiene, just bodily functions. Like masturbation. Sexuality is wide, wild, and complex, it's the mirror of our inner world. Porn is just a business around it.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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I remember reading just a couple of weeks back about how this issue goes away after abstaining from porn for a month or two. They called it "porn detox" I think.

Depending on the person and amount of use, I have heard it usually takes from 3-18 months to fully return to normal.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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I find that its hard to communicate with young people about the weird way in which sexual climax is plugged into your brain. Through out history people have have exploited that link and human physiology as a tool to control people.

Growing up in Las Vegas I had a pretty unconventional view of sex, and was completely caught off guard by the emotions that came with my first actual sexual experience.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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Boy needs to grow up, thats all.

Porn is porn, masturbation is not sex, its not the same thing, and its not even close, porn is just a masturbation aid. I suppose it could also be useful in some very limited way to figure out if some weird kinky stuff turns you on.

What I have learned from porn: The vast majority of it is comically bad when it comes o depicting what actual good sex is like. I sometimes wonder if people think this is real and feel a little bit bad for them, same as I feel sorry for people who think WWF wrestling is real. Lots of real world sex with different partners will get you over it quick.

Porn is to sex like WWF wrestling is to fighting.

For those dudes who actually want to get seriously into it theres a vast body of literature, tantra, deida, and I also like the tao of sexology.

Re: Did porn warp me forever?

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porn — especially the porn I was watching — just had to be taboo. The author's fetish is with the anxiety of getting caught. He's making anxiety porn by watching something so extreme that it's guaranteed to offend anyone who catches him. The author has connected the anxiety of being caught with sexual desires in his head. It's actually a very common fetish.

Yes. And it's one that's completely okay if handled correctly, like any fetish.
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