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Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

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You're not exaggerating: http://web.mit.edu/~sdavies/www/mit-suicides/ Not just the number of suicides, but also the contexts (Elizabeth Shin's story is particularly chilling - that one stuck with me because I used to live with her former roommate's brother).

It looks like that link is no longer available.

Someone or something has taken MIT off the Internet.

This is pretty amazing. I've always been able to ping them, any time, any where, any reason.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

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Sorry but as far as i can tell from reading about this guy his main area of expertise seemed to be throwing away the opportunities that kept chasing him and i find it hard to see why he's held up as such a hero/martyr. First, he didn't create the RSS single-handledly for us. He was part of a committee of about a dozen people that took over RSS from Netscape when they didn't support it anymore. Admittedly that's impre…

You might want to take a look at what the expert witness says. http://io9.com/5975592/aaron-swartz-died-innocent-++-here-is...

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

#143

Sorry but as far as i can tell from reading about this guy his main area of expertise seemed to be throwing away the opportunities that kept chasing him and i find it hard to see why he's held up as such a hero/martyr. First, he didn't create the RSS single-handledly for us. He was part of a committee of about a dozen people that took over RSS from Netscape when they didn't support it anymore. Admittedly that's impre…

That may or may not be the case, but despite that he has followers and fans and supporters in the hundreds if not more, and that's an accomplishment that many others do not have. Regardless of his accomplishments whether they be in full or partial, he stood for something and in the end suffered because of it. And this is why so many are moved by what has happened.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

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Sorry but as far as i can tell from reading about this guy his main area of expertise seemed to be throwing away the opportunities that kept chasing him and i find it hard to see why he's held up as such a hero/martyr. First, he didn't create the RSS single-handledly for us. He was part of a committee of about a dozen people that took over RSS from Netscape when they didn't support it anymore. Admittedly that's impre…

I'm not sure what is more disturbing; the fact that someone is capable of disparaging a human being who has passed away and is incapable of self-defence, or the fact that some people apparently agree with the diatribe as witnessed by the upvotes.

I don't know about you nor can I or will I speak on the behalf of the real Mr. Swartz, but I've thrown away plenty of opportunities, made plenty of mistakes and done tons of dumb things. I just hope that when my time comes those mis-steps aren't what I'm remembered for.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

#145

Sorry but as far as i can tell from reading about this guy his main area of expertise seemed to be throwing away the opportunities that kept chasing him and i find it hard to see why he's held up as such a hero/martyr. First, he didn't create the RSS single-handledly for us. He was part of a committee of about a dozen people that took over RSS from Netscape when they didn't support it anymore. Admittedly that's impre…

You might want to take a look at what the expert witness says. http://io9.com/5975592/aaron-swartz-died-innocent-++-here-is...

I did. He's obviously biased. He claims that Aaron "did nothing to cover his tracks or hide his activity." He tried to disguise himself when he went to retrieve the laptop. I think not clearing .bash_history or his browser history was just due to stupidity on Aaron's part, as he (again stupidly) didn't foresee that he would get caught retrieving the laptop.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

#146

Sorry but as far as i can tell from reading about this guy his main area of expertise seemed to be throwing away the opportunities that kept chasing him and i find it hard to see why he's held up as such a hero/martyr. First, he didn't create the RSS single-handledly for us. He was part of a committee of about a dozen people that took over RSS from Netscape when they didn't support it anymore. Admittedly that's impre…

I'm not sure what is more disturbing; the fact that someone is capable of disparaging a human being who has passed away and is incapable of self-defence, or the fact that some people apparently agree with the diatribe as witnessed by the upvotes. I don't know about you nor can I or will I speak on the behalf of the real Mr. Swartz, but I've thrown away plenty of opportunities, made plenty of mistakes and done tons of…

Dying does not give you immunity from criticism.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

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post #125

What did he mean by "MIT Medical is available to provide expert counseling"? edit : and why is this on pastebin?

MIT Medical is available to provide members of the MIT community with psychological counseling. This is on pastebin because it is a copy of an email that was sent to everyone at MIT.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

#148

Sorry but as far as i can tell from reading about this guy his main area of expertise seemed to be throwing away the opportunities that kept chasing him and i find it hard to see why he's held up as such a hero/martyr. First, he didn't create the RSS single-handledly for us. He was part of a committee of about a dozen people that took over RSS from Netscape when they didn't support it anymore. Admittedly that's impre…

That may or may not be the case, but despite that he has followers and fans and supporters in the hundreds if not more, and that's an accomplishment that many others do not have. Regardless of his accomplishments whether they be in full or partial, he stood for something and in the end suffered because of it. And this is why so many are moved by what has happened.

1) Getting followers/fans is not an accomplishment, unless you consider (say) Snooki "more accomplished" than your hero. 2) He didn't suffer because he stood for something, he suffered because he got caught, which he didn't foresee. Subtle difference. Too bad he couldn't handle it.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what is more disturbing; the fact that someone is capable of disparaging a human being who has passed away and is incapable of self-defence, or the fact that some people apparently agree with the diatribe as witnessed by the upvotes. I don't know about you nor can I or will I speak on the behalf of the real Mr. Swartz, but I've thrown away plenty of opportunities, made plenty of mistakes and done tons of…

Dying does not give you immunity from criticism.

To quote you;

>>> It was only because this guy had academic and tech industry protectors who backed their precious manbaby that JSTOR and MIT were reluctant to pursue the issue themselves. I would argue that you are not a critic as the above statement is not a reasoned stance or observation; it is vitriol.

Giving respect to someone's life irrespective of the differences you may have had is not about right or wrong. No, it's more basic than that; it's about compassion.

Re: MIT President on Aaron Swartz

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post #27

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"Aaron Swartz was mentally ill and committed suicide as a direct result of his mental illness. He comtemplated suicide in 2007 long before any of this DOJ stuff happened." But he didn't do it then, did he? It's absurd to think that these things are completely unconnected. (Look at the timing, for one thing.) A severely depressed person is perhaps more likely to commit suicide than a person who is not severely depress…

> It's furthermore frankly insulting to think that (a) anyone is glorifying his suicide (or did you miss the many suicide hotline links, links to posts saying "don't do what Aaron did", etc., on the front page yesterday?), or that (b) someone who is already depressed/suicidal hasn't already engaged in some suicidal ideation. While I fully agree with you that this is not glorifying suicide, it does normalize suicide a…

So instead of hiding from the word "suicide," wouldn't society be better served by destigmatizing whatever the victims of these "accidents" were going through so they aren't at risk when there is news of a self-inflicted death?
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