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Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

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Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

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Academics should already be doing this as a matter of course. If they'd like to actually show tribute to Aaron, they should: 1. Find seminal and survey papers from their fields that are unavailable on Google/Citeseer/etc, whose authors are dead/moved on/unfazed by the Internet/etc. 2. Download digital versions of these papers through their institutional access, or scan in paper copies if necessary. 3. Post them on th…

I've been doing this on and off, and encouraging some colleagues to do so as well. You can't mass-upload a ton of articles without attracting unwanted attention, but you can throw up a few interesting articles in unsecured directories. People do it accidentally all the time (Google Scholar finds lots of stuff from course wikis and accidentally open directory listings and such), so you could do it "accidentally" as well.

It's also a minor way to have some influence on what gets read and cited. A lot of academics have a favorite classic paper they feel is unjustly underappreciated in their field. Why not put it online? Getting the paper into Citeseer and Google Scholar, where someone might stumble across it, is a small way to help promote underappreciated work. An underappreciated paper nobody can find is going to stay underappreciated!

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK it's two-prong. 1. A lot of people criticize self-published work on no other grounds ("not peer reviewed, won't read") 2. Peer-review and citation statistics are part of the bureaucratic game of career-academia. There seems to be a pretty huge resistance to the old publishers and terms though, with more and more stuff going out in open-access journals. Aaron's death will probably accelerate the change.

Is there some reason you can't both publish your research on your own site as well as in whatever publication you send it to? We could run that sort of "dual stack" until self-publishing becomes the standard. I think a lot of the concepts from traditional publishing can be translated to this sort of online publishing. Once again, I think if it was easier for a researcher to self-publish and get peer reviews then to g…

One reason is that some journals require you to transfer copyright to them as a condition for publication. Usually, the journals then license the paper back to the corresponding author for limited personal distribution, but sometimes it may be the case that posting your research on your website would be a violation of copyright.

For an example, here's the transfer form for the American Chemical Societies journals: http://pubs.acs.org/page/copyright/journals/index.html (the ACS has historically been one of the bigger roadblocks, along with Elsevier, to more OpenAccess reform).

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

#33

Honest question: why don't researchers normally do this? Those in the software development do this all the time: set up a tumblr/Wordpress/whatever blog and publish our findings. If I had a dime for every time I saw an article about some benchmark of tech X vs Y... If every research lab ran a blog-type setup where they published their findings (along with any other updates), the whole field could be revolutionized. T…

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Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

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Honest question: why don't researchers normally do this? Those in the software development do this all the time: set up a tumblr/Wordpress/whatever blog and publish our findings. If I had a dime for every time I saw an article about some benchmark of tech X vs Y... If every research lab ran a blog-type setup where they published their findings (along with any other updates), the whole field could be revolutionized. T…

They do! Or at least they are starting to. At least in physics/math in my experience most people have a personal homepage that they post their papers to, and also upload them on ArXiv. There is some complication with regards to copyright, because to publish in a journal you usually need to assign the exclusive rights to them. Nowadays most journals have realized the need for authors to post their papers on personal homepages and e-print services like the ArXiv, so that this is no big deal in practice.

There are still problems: 1.) Usually old papers are not available via this route. If you email the author and ask nicely he will usually send it to, but at least in pure mathematics one quite common wants to look up really old articles, say from the 1950s, and those are the ones that are terribly hard to come by, because they are often only available behind a paywall like JSTOR.

2.) Currently "prestige" and peer review is handled through the journal system: Authors send their papers to a journal for publication, other scientists review them (for free), and then the paper gets published (or not). Afterwards publishing houses, who add little value to the process, force libraries to pay horrendous amounts of money to get access to these journals (usually through selling bundles).

At the moment there are efforts underway to pleasure publishers into a saner pricing structure, and there are now some open access journals where usually the author pays once (if at all) and then it is free to read for everyone.

Many people also consider more radical approaches, for example, making journals simply be ArXiv overlays that point to a set of papers on the ArXiv. I have even heard suggestion of replacing peer review, at least partially, by an open review system like you suggest, and some journals have experimented with it, but it does not seem to have a lot of consensus behind it at the moment. But this is in a way orthogonal to the problem of making research available to as many people as possible.

The problem with the very radical change that you suggest, i.e., using blogs instead of research papers, is that peer reviewed papers have proven their worth over a long period of time. It is doubtful whether simple blog posts would guarantee a similar quality over a long period of time. My personal feeling is that there would be a lot of noise and incorrect stuff drowning out the important stuff.

With regards to your edit: If you submit a paper that seems to be serious research to a journal, it will be reviewed, and if it holds up, eventually published. If the paper is decent, you'll be able get it published without being associated to an academic institution (at least in mathematics, can't speak for other fields).

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

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post #13

It's a nice sentiment, but thanks to the Open Access movement, most recently published papers are already available online somewhere, and the people talking about #pdftribute are the people most likely to have already shared their papers. Important historical papers, even those that are now public domain, are still behind paywalls. As Aaron said, "even under the best scenarios, their work will only apply to things pu…

That is not true. I work in neuroscience and often find myself not having access to "just released" papers. Some of them may appear as preprints months later, if the author bothers to do so. I 've tried to email authors for copies a few times with no response. Even my institution doesn't provide access to all the journals we need (probably the situation is different in the US). There are actually underground websites…

    > There are actually underground websites for searching
    > paywalled journals through proxies.
Can you hook a brother up?

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some reason you can't both publish your research on your own site as well as in whatever publication you send it to? We could run that sort of "dual stack" until self-publishing becomes the standard. I think a lot of the concepts from traditional publishing can be translated to this sort of online publishing. Once again, I think if it was easier for a researcher to self-publish and get peer reviews then to g…

One reason is that some journals require you to transfer copyright to them as a condition for publication. Usually, the journals then license the paper back to the corresponding author for limited personal distribution, but sometimes it may be the case that posting your research on your website would be a violation of copyright. For an example, here's the transfer form for the American Chemical Societies journals: ht…

IEEE has a similar copyright assignment requirement. If you want your paper in an IEEE venue (which includes many of the top engineering, robotics, signal processing, etc. conferences and journals) you are not allowed to publish it anywhere else, including on your own web site. Institutions pay big bucks to subscribe to IEEE Xplore for online access.

Many people work around this by self-hosting a very similar paper, rendered from the same LaTeX sources, but without the IEEE chrome. IEEE usually turns a blind eye.

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

#37

Honest question: why don't researchers normally do this? Those in the software development do this all the time: set up a tumblr/Wordpress/whatever blog and publish our findings. If I had a dime for every time I saw an article about some benchmark of tech X vs Y... If every research lab ran a blog-type setup where they published their findings (along with any other updates), the whole field could be revolutionized. T…

They do! Or at least they are starting to. At least in physics/math in my experience most people have a personal homepage that they post their papers to, and also upload them on ArXiv. There is some complication with regards to copyright, because to publish in a journal you usually need to assign the exclusive rights to them. Nowadays most journals have realized the need for authors to post their papers on personal h…

Thanks for the detailed response. Just one clarification: I am not suggesting using just pure blog posts, but rather publishing properly formatted papers using a self-hosted publishing system a la Wordpress. Blog posts may or may not be added in order to promote the content.

It seems like the real issue here is prestige, which then translates to funding. "Publish or die" is how most researchers seem to live. Thus I think if we are able to show that self-publishing/distributed publishing brings the money to the researcher and the academic institution then this idea would get traction.

Re: edit. I see. That's great to know.

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

#38
post #30

You know what would (probably) really be a tribute to Aaron Swartz? Run a Tor exit node in an academic network that is blessed by JSTOR, Springer, etc. Make a website that surveys which exit nodes are in these blessed networks and turns any URL for a paywall into a rendering using that exit node to access the paywall. Let professors, students, and staff stand with Aaron by running exit nodes that are configured to on…

    > Run a Tor exit node in an academic network that is
    > blessed by JSTOR, Springer, etc.
I like this plan. But what should the school do when Elsevier cuts them off? Maybe we need moles in the publishing companies themselves.

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do! Or at least they are starting to. At least in physics/math in my experience most people have a personal homepage that they post their papers to, and also upload them on ArXiv. There is some complication with regards to copyright, because to publish in a journal you usually need to assign the exclusive rights to them. Nowadays most journals have realized the need for authors to post their papers on personal h…

Thanks for the detailed response. Just one clarification: I am not suggesting using just pure blog posts, but rather publishing properly formatted papers using a self-hosted publishing system a la Wordpress. Blog posts may or may not be added in order to promote the content. It seems like the real issue here is prestige, which then translates to funding. "Publish or die" is how most researchers seem to live. Thus I t…

Ah, I see. I would still prefer the papers to also be hosted on a more reliable system (for example, the ArXiV, or an electronic journals website), simply because they become easier to discover this way and there is a certain assurance that they will stay online.

I think that Terrence Tao https://terrytao.wordpress.com/) has an interesting take on using blogs for math: He publishes in journals, but uses his blog to post lecture notes as well as short summaries of some of his papers.

But then this is not so different from a typical academics homepage: Usually you will find a list of publications (hopefully with PDFs, at least for the newer ones) and lecture notes there. But of course it differs for each author, and perhaps other fields have different conventions.

Re: Academics posting their papers online in tribute to Aaron Swartz

#40

Honest question: why don't researchers normally do this? Those in the software development do this all the time: set up a tumblr/Wordpress/whatever blog and publish our findings. If I had a dime for every time I saw an article about some benchmark of tech X vs Y... If every research lab ran a blog-type setup where they published their findings (along with any other updates), the whole field could be revolutionized. T…

They do! Or at least they are starting to. At least in physics/math in my experience most people have a personal homepage that they post their papers to, and also upload them on ArXiv. There is some complication with regards to copyright, because to publish in a journal you usually need to assign the exclusive rights to them. Nowadays most journals have realized the need for authors to post their papers on personal h…

> At the moment there are efforts underway to pleasure publishers into a saner pricing structure

Perhaps a bit more of the stick and less of the carrot is what's needed... if they find carrots pleasurable, that is.

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