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Re: Can anyone learn to code?

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Post by mb_72 » Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 9:33 AM UTC

rinrae wrote: post #8

mb_72 wrote: post #4

I compare it to trying to learn a musical instrument: - most people can learn to some degree - hard work and dedication can compensate for a lack of ability - for those of little talent, their end-point ability will always be very limited - the truly talented can make mastery of their instrument look truly supernatural As not all people should be musicians professionally, not all people should be programmers professi…

how do you define "talent"? what is that "talent" thing you mention? where does it come from? I'm asking because I don't believe in talent, I believe in practice (and everything you need to practice a lot – stuff like dedication and perseverance). That being said, sometimes I'd love to believe in that concept called "talent", because "I've got no talent for music" would be such a comfortable excuse.

Good question - I guess I see 'talent' most commonly as the ability to quickly turn time applied into results - more talented programmers are productive more quickly in new environments, more talented musicians achieve more with an hour's practice than less talented musicians. I think my own definition of 'talent' would seem to accord with your 'practice' concept.

Re: Can anyone learn to code?

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Post by lsiebert » Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 12:05 PM UTC

I volunteer as a tutor in a community college computer lab. I've seen people of all ages, intelligence levels and computer proficiency learn to program. In C, which isn't exactly the kindest language for beginners.

I've seen 50-60 year old men without college degrees, guys who work in construction, HVAC repair, physical jobs, learn C. I've taught them how to cut and paste, because they didn't know how. They hunt and peck, and they take awhile to. But they learn.

If they can do it, pretty much anybody can.

Re: Can anyone learn to code?

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Post by ScottWhigham » Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 1:20 PM UTC

rinrae wrote: post #8

mb_72 wrote: post #4

I compare it to trying to learn a musical instrument: - most people can learn to some degree - hard work and dedication can compensate for a lack of ability - for those of little talent, their end-point ability will always be very limited - the truly talented can make mastery of their instrument look truly supernatural As not all people should be musicians professionally, not all people should be programmers professi…

how do you define "talent"? what is that "talent" thing you mention? where does it come from? I'm asking because I don't believe in talent, I believe in practice (and everything you need to practice a lot – stuff like dedication and perseverance). That being said, sometimes I'd love to believe in that concept called "talent", because "I've got no talent for music" would be such a comfortable excuse.

Clearly "talent" in programming has a tie-in to things like IQ and memory. While I appreciate the musical instrument analogy, it breaks down on these two elements specifically. I know guys who are "not smart" yet they are amazing jazz musicians - true leaders of the world in that regard. These are guys with probably a sub-85 IQ. Could be they programmers? No, not a chance. They don't have the mental capacity.

So "talented programmers" and "talented musicians" have a different type of talent. Both are simply luck of the draw at birth - if you were born smart and with a high IQ, you can accomplish both (music and programming by practice). If you were born with a sub-85 IQ, I don't think you have the option to become a "programmer" unless there is some other element at work (amazing memory, ability to focus, or something else).

Re: Can anyone learn to code?

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Post by stevenameyer » Mon, Jan 14, 2013, 8:55 PM UTC

Programming requires a certain kind of thinking about things and methods of approaching problems. As with anything there are people who are inherently inclined to think about things in this way, but i do believe that anyone has the ability to learn the skills to be at least a half decent programmer.

Learning to break down a problem into smaller pieces, recognizing different situations in which something can occur, and being able to determine steps to accomplish a goal are some of the main components of programming and are used be most people on a daily basis to varying levels of success.

Now this being said there are a lot of fairly abstract concepts that need to be understood in order to be able to produce clean, scalable code that would be needed at most mid to high end companies. These concepts can be very dense for people to understand as there often are no good real world comparisons for them, and so these can prevent someone from becoming a highly skilled programmer.

So can anyone learn to program? For sure. Can anyone learn to program to the level required for a lot of jobs now a days? Probably not.