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Re: Safari is released to the world

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For about 8 seconds before Android users downloaded Firefox. iOS on the other hand is a prison so I suppose those users would just be screwed.

What exactly is your argument, that it's not important because people could use something else if they had to? Does anything qualify as "important" with that definition?

Useful, sure. the original poster dubbed it "one of the most important pieces of software in the world."

Re: Safari is released to the world

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What exactly is your argument, that it's not important because people could use something else if they had to? Does anything qualify as "important" with that definition?

Useful, sure. the original poster dubbed it "one of the most important pieces of software in the world."

That doesn't actually address either of my questions.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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What exactly is your argument, that it's not important because people could use something else if they had to? Does anything qualify as "important" with that definition?

Useful, sure. the original poster dubbed it "one of the most important pieces of software in the world."

There seems to be some confusion about what "it" refers to. You keep referring to Safari. The original poster referred to KHTML, which for most intents and purposes "turned into" WebKit. That's how I and apparently most others understood him to mean.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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1. iTunes started out as a music player. The iTunes Music Store came later. You can debate whether or not Steve was planning the iTunes Music Store from the beginning, but that's neither here nor there. 2. iTunes, at least in the beginning, was just a wrapper around the QuickTime framework.

"2. iTunes, at least in the beginning, was just a wrapper around the QuickTime framework." There's more to it than that, but this touches on something; I really wish that something akin to QuickTime was available cross-platform. Yeah, it's crufty and strange warts that reveal Ugly Things are all over the place, but man, having a good AV API would make a lot of things better. ffmpeg is a very impressive achievement, b…

How does gstreamer compare?

http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Don, i am trying to understand why you (not you in person but Apple) went the open source route for safari but not for itunes etc. Can it be that, at that moment when you made the decision, web sites 'made for internet explorer', were too many. And you wanted the rendering engine on Mac to be widespread by getting from and giving to an open source project.

Here's a great story from Cabel at Panic about how Apple approached them to purchase Panic so they could turn Audion into iTunes. Instead, they went with SoundJam: http://panic.com/extras/audionstory/

Great story, and I'm a huge fan of Coda, that does a little of everything pretty well.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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What happened to KWQ? This looks like a great starting point when you want to port some KDE/Qt lib to native Cocoa. For example, I'm thinking about KDevelop, Amarok or others.

KWQ wasn't super easy to port to other platforms -- it's completely gone now and WebKit has much better abstractions.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Safari is one of the best browsers I've used. It led to a better web development. If it weren't for the webkit, the might look like it's stuck in the 1990s.

It gave us something important: a third major engine (webkit in general). Standards really get taken seriously when there are more than 2 players.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Fair enough. But the point remains that I doubt Apple would have needed Nokia's help porting their own code to their own secret platform. It would have been commercial suicide practically to let a competitor know.

AFAIK, Nokia started work on making WebKit mobile before Apple did (I could easily be wrong). There was presumably a fair amount of work making WebKit work well on mobile devices so I'm wondering what influence Nokia's port had on the iOS port. Perhaps Apple completely ignored it or perhaps they only put WebKit on the iPhone because of Nokia's work.

I wonder, too, how hampered Nokia was by trying to port it to an existing platform, presumably striving for a lot of backwards compatability. Nokia, at the time, had many popular handsets available, of varying power/capabilities/providers. Apple was designing a new phone, a single piece of hardware, a single provider.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Useful, sure. the original poster dubbed it "one of the most important pieces of software in the world."

That doesn't actually address either of my questions.

@bennytjia read this thread slowly.

WebKit, the rendering engine originally used in Safari (not Safari the application), nowadays powers Chrome, iOS, Android, BB and a hundred other browsers/platforms. In simple words: the absolute majority of mobile browsers use webkit, plus >50% of desktops/laptops.

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