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Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by NoPiece » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 1:22 AM UTC

myko wrote: post #218

masklinn wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're saying the UI on Google+ is broken because the header stays on the top? 1. I'm saying the UI on Google+ is broken because the way it's implemented (and it's not the sole offender) means page-wise scrolling as described by OP does not work anymore. 2. But your suggestion that G+'s worthless header has no reason to stay fixed and eat up 20~30% of the vertical space is also correct.

Using space to scroll on G+ works great for me. Even better, j & k - though I don't expect most people to use their keyboard at all to scroll.

What browser are you using? Others have mentioned Firefox has updated to address the issue, but Chrome will scroll too far (full window height) when you hit space, which makes using G+ on other fixed header sites super annoying for us keyboard scrollers.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by sarah2079 » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 1:27 AM UTC

munificent wrote: post #124

This seems to result in a large number of cases where the visual experience is pointless. The line separating the previous and next page is tiny and easy to miss, and I don't see the use in two torn half-pages on screen. I agree that smooth scrolling long text is hard to read and trips up line scanning, but this UX seems be like playing an cruel game where I have to drag just enough to scroll a whole page. Any more o…

While I didn't like the page divider in this demo, I also don't like having to see the screen whir by when you hit the space bar. Having the page flash past in the same direction you are trying to track with your eyes is not comfortable for me. I did really like the narrow width of the text here though.

I have noticed that reading on the kindle app on my phone is extremely comfortable, and it basically incorporates the things I just mentioned -- narrow column width and page turns that aren't disorienting. I know people hate pagination on the internet because it is associated with slow page loads, but fast pagination would be awesome.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by yogrish » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 1:42 AM UTC

munificent wrote: post #124

This seems to result in a large number of cases where the visual experience is pointless. The line separating the previous and next page is tiny and easy to miss, and I don't see the use in two torn half-pages on screen. I agree that smooth scrolling long text is hard to read and trips up line scanning, but this UX seems be like playing an cruel game where I have to drag just enough to scroll a whole page. Any more o…

Overall I feel its a better scrolling. But, the page divider is an irritant more when the current page sentence and next page sentence are overlapping. I think he can try out soem blending operation to avoid this. Below page divider he can slightly blur few sentences and blend with next pages while you keep moving the divider down. Author can try out and check if it is appealing.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by kercker » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 1:44 AM UTC

There is always some text at the bottom of the screen, which make it hard for me to read.

This is the reason why I am not so much into this scrolling.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by repsilat » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 1:47 AM UTC

NoPiece wrote: post #261

myko wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using space to scroll on G+ works great for me. Even better, j & k - though I don't expect most people to use their keyboard at all to scroll.

What browser are you using? Others have mentioned Firefox has updated to address the issue, but Chrome will scroll too far (full window height) when you hit space, which makes using G+ on other fixed header sites super annoying for us keyboard scrollers.

I guess the situation becomes "good enough" when all the modern browsers include a hack to make scrolling work properly, but it's certainly not ideal. If anyone ever decides to write another browser they'll have to deal with another undocumented requirement, and there are funny cases to consider like transparent fixed headers.

Funny how frames are avoided for historical reasons when they often seem like the ideal solution. Remember when Twitter expanded conversations in a fixed box on the right of the screen? Should have used frames. Fixed header? Same deal.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by myko » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 1:50 AM UTC

NoPiece wrote: post #261

myko wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using space to scroll on G+ works great for me. Even better, j & k - though I don't expect most people to use their keyboard at all to scroll.

What browser are you using? Others have mentioned Firefox has updated to address the issue, but Chrome will scroll too far (full window height) when you hit space, which makes using G+ on other fixed header sites super annoying for us keyboard scrollers.

Ah, yeah I was looking in Firefox. Still I generally navigate G+ using j and k which drops a single post at a time.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by samuellevy » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 2:07 AM UTC

I scroll the page to keep the text I'm reading at a relatively consistent height.

I don't read the entire length of the page before scrolling, I read a paragraph or two before scrolling.

When I read a book, I don't usually put the book in one place then read down it, I'll often move the book up slowly to that it's always in a position to read where my head/neck is comfortable.

I, for one, am glad that the world doesn't scroll this way.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by NoPiece » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 2:18 AM UTC

myko wrote: post #266

NoPiece wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What browser are you using? Others have mentioned Firefox has updated to address the issue, but Chrome will scroll too far (full window height) when you hit space, which makes using G+ on other fixed header sites super annoying for us keyboard scrollers.

Ah, yeah I was looking in Firefox. Still I generally navigate G+ using j and k which drops a single post at a time.

I didn't know about the j & k keys in G+. Just tried it and it is a pretty good substitute for the space, though I do hope that gets fixed.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by chaowentan » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 2:49 AM UTC

Interesting solution to this problem. But just like the others, I was confused by the way that the next page overlaps the current page. I think a simpler solution would be to just columnize the text and maximize the usage of all available screen space. So I implemented a Chrome extension to experiment with it.

Shameless plug: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/purify/kjiappjpfpa...

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by jamesjporter » Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 3:04 AM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #128

robmcm wrote: post #73

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Like, you'll get used to inverted scroll in Mountain Lion? Innovation takes getting used to, evolution doesn't.

Loved that feature, it feels so much more natural. It was only a problem when I had to use a windows computer for like 5 minutes and everything was inverted again.

This is why I try not to overtweak my computer. Sure I could rice the whole thing out, but then I'm useless on any other machine. I try to strike a happy medium where I'm reasonably productive but can still use another computer when I have to.