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Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by aj700 »

btilly wrote: post #143
munificent wrote: post #124

This seems to result in a large number of cases where the visual experience is pointless. The line separating the previous and next page is tiny and easy to miss, and I don't see the use in two torn half-pages on screen. I agree that smooth scrolling long text is hard to read and trips up line scanning, but this UX seems be like playing an cruel game where I have to drag just enough to scroll a whole page. Any more o…

Your alternate solution gets annoying if the page has a header overlaying the text. Like Google+ does. Then you scroll a page, and have to scroll back a little. That said, this solution will also break in that situation. But it will break worse since there will be no way to get the text at the top to scroll into view.

I've noticed this problem with using the spacebar. But a top and bottom header will never add up to more than 1/3 of the vertical height of the browser window. Should be poss to build a javascript overlaid scroller button than only scrolls pages by 2/3 of window height at a time, in either direction?

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by myko »

masklinn wrote: post #154
btilly wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your alternate solution gets annoying if the page has a header overlaying the text. Like Google+ does. Then you scroll a page, and have to scroll back a little. That said, this solution will also break in that situation. But it will break worse since there will be no way to get the text at the top to scroll into view.

> Your alternate solution gets annoying if the page has a header overlaying the text. So you're saying the working solution doesn't work on sites with completely broken UIs such as Google+? What a surprise. That's like criticizing middle-click-to-open-in-new-tab because it doesn't work on broken sites implementing fake links via javascript, without actual links backing them.

> So you're saying the working solution doesn't work on sites with completely broken UIs such as Google+? What a surprise.

You're saying the UI on Google+ is broken because the header stays on the top? I love that feature - more sites should implement it.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by klibertp »

I'm not sure about it. When one reads about speed reading techniques it seems that the thing that limits the reading speed (if you're advanced enough) is actually (physically) flipping pages... Repositioning one's eyes from the end of one page to the beginning of another takes time too, I'm not convinced that it's the best way to read.

Do we have someone who is proficient in speed reading? I would be very interested in opinion of such a person: is paging and associated flipping of pages making speed reading harder or easier than scrolling?

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by pit »

I like this a lot. I can't stand those image galleries where the frame resizes itself every time you load a new picture. There's a little bug in Firefox 15.0.1 (sorry, not an Administrator):

1) Advance to the last page -- progress is 99.99%. 2) Go back one page -- progress stays at 99.99%. 3) Go back another page -- progress is 57.08% (which happens to be correct).

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by masklinn »

myko wrote: post #182
masklinn wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your alternate solution gets annoying if the page has a header overlaying the text. So you're saying the working solution doesn't work on sites with completely broken UIs such as Google+? What a surprise. That's like criticizing middle-click-to-open-in-new-tab because it doesn't work on broken sites implementing fake links via javascript, without actual links backing them.

> So you're saying the working solution doesn't work on sites with completely broken UIs such as Google+? What a surprise. You're saying the UI on Google+ is broken because the header stays on the top? I love that feature - more sites should implement it.

> You're saying the UI on Google+ is broken because the header stays on the top?

1. I'm saying the UI on Google+ is broken because the way it's implemented (and it's not the sole offender) means page-wise scrolling as described by OP does not work anymore.

2. But your suggestion that G+'s worthless header has no reason to stay fixed and eat up 20~30% of the vertical space is also correct.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by smurph »

How would you handle a piece of content that is too long for 1 page, but doesn't deal well with being broken up? Like a tall infographic or block quote? I just think there are too many failure scenarios for this to take off. It is cool though.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by napoleond »

kafkaesque wrote: post #173
return0 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am strabismic too, but don't have problems with reading text. In fact, while strabismus affects 3d perception, i don't see how scrolling and reading are affected unless one has double vision.

Cool. Not everyone with strabismus has the same symptoms, right? It depends on many factors, as I'm sure you know, which is why I tried to give a bit more info on myself. When I had my third eye surgery (due to my strabismic eyes) around 1995, they told me reading from line to line would be harder at first. And they were right. At this point, though, they had gone into my eyes before I was 5 twice and had cut and the…

Another strabismic person weighing in ;) (Is that even the right word? People just call me cross-eyed...)

I had eye surgerie(s?) when I was very young and don't really remember them. They probably helped, but I've avoided further surgery due to the "guinea pig" impression you describe, and the fact that I don't feel like my vision is severely inhibited. My depth perception is probably worse than that of other people, but I've never known better (and I think my brain has learned to compensate using a strategy skewed toward motion parallax instead of stereopsis).

Anyway, this scrolling method is unreadable to me, for whatever that's worth.

Re: I want the world to scroll this way

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Post by iSnow »

btilly wrote: post #143
munificent wrote: post #124

This seems to result in a large number of cases where the visual experience is pointless. The line separating the previous and next page is tiny and easy to miss, and I don't see the use in two torn half-pages on screen. I agree that smooth scrolling long text is hard to read and trips up line scanning, but this UX seems be like playing an cruel game where I have to drag just enough to scroll a whole page. Any more o…

Your alternate solution gets annoying if the page has a header overlaying the text. Like Google+ does. Then you scroll a page, and have to scroll back a little. That said, this solution will also break in that situation. But it will break worse since there will be no way to get the text at the top to scroll into view.

Good news is that the issue is recognized by the Mozilla team at the very least:

>Pages with position:fixed banners/headers are all the rage these days. But when I try to read content inside one of these pages and hit Page Down or Spacebar, firefox calculates the page length relative to the whole browser window, not just the part visible underneath the position:fixed header. So it scrolls too much, and the first few lines of the next page end up hidden

>Status: RESOLVED FIXED

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780345

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