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Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by dave1010uk » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 6:19 PM UTC

binarycrusader wrote: post #99

bdash wrote: post #98

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> WebKit was open sourced roughly a week (June 7, 2005) before Nokia announced the port to their phone (June 13, 2005). That means that Nokia was able to do the port in less than a week with (presumably) a few competent developers. While the ex-Nokia developers I've met have all been excellent engineers, they certainly didn't port WebKit to their mobile devices in under a week. June 7, 2005 marks the date that Apple…

Fair enough. But the point remains that I doubt Apple would have needed Nokia's help porting their own code to their own secret platform. It would have been commercial suicide practically to let a competitor know.

AFAIK, Nokia started work on making WebKit mobile before Apple did (I could easily be wrong). There was presumably a fair amount of work making WebKit work well on mobile devices so I'm wondering what influence Nokia's port had on the iOS port. Perhaps Apple completely ignored it or perhaps they only put WebKit on the iPhone because of Nokia's work.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by parfe » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 6:41 PM UTC

jpxxx wrote: post #2

The KHTML library (as wrapped by KFM) was surprisingly usable back in the day on Linux. But who'da thunk it'd turn into one of the most important pieces of code in the world? Congrats to all involved.

>one of the most important pieces of code in the world

Well, that's certainly over the top. Safari is a commodity.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by Nelson69 » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 7:37 PM UTC

parfe wrote: post #102

jpxxx wrote: post #2

The KHTML library (as wrapped by KFM) was surprisingly usable back in the day on Linux. But who'da thunk it'd turn into one of the most important pieces of code in the world? Congrats to all involved.

> one of the most important pieces of code in the world Well, that's certainly over the top. Safari is a commodity.

Safari, Chrome, all the non-Windows phones (iOS, android, bada, blackberry, and webOS) and some lesser uses. I think some of the embedded Netflix implementations use it.

It's pretty important.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by mcpoulet » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 8:06 PM UTC

kawsper wrote: post #60

nodesocket wrote: post #39

2003 Safari keynote by the master himself, Steve Jobs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ZNXQujgXw It's so crazy to watch the demo, and see all the absolute crap websites back then. How far we have come. What will the web look like in another 10 years?

And the presentation writes CCS1 and CCS2, instead of CSS1 and CSS2 :-) I think that was the reason that it was skipped that fast.

At what time is that in the video ? I didn't see it.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by parfe » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 9:14 PM UTC

Nelson69 wrote: post #103

parfe wrote: post #102

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> one of the most important pieces of code in the world Well, that's certainly over the top. Safari is a commodity.

Safari, Chrome, all the non-Windows phones (iOS, android, bada, blackberry, and webOS) and some lesser uses. I think some of the embedded Netflix implementations use it. It's pretty important.

Apple paid someone to hack on KHTML (In a most unfriendly manner) and Safari somehow becomes some of the most important code on the planet? Apple fans are a bit delusional.

If Safari magically disappeared today Mozilla would notice a bump in downloads and everyone would go with their day.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by micampe » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 9:18 PM UTC

parfe wrote: post #105

Nelson69 wrote: post #103

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Safari, Chrome, all the non-Windows phones (iOS, android, bada, blackberry, and webOS) and some lesser uses. I think some of the embedded Netflix implementations use it. It's pretty important.

Apple paid someone to hack on KHTML (In a most unfriendly manner) and Safari somehow becomes some of the most important code on the planet? Apple fans are a bit delusional. If Safari magically disappeared today Mozilla would notice a bump in downloads and everyone would go with their day.

Not Safari, WebKit.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by joezydeco » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 9:36 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #97

joezydeco wrote: post #89

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I hold hope that one day we'll have a folklore.org equivalent for the period where Steve returned to Apple up to the iPhone or thereabouts. Even a "Soul of a New Machine"-type book about the development of some products (iPod, iPhone, OSX) would be interesting. In either case, Don, thanks for these stories. Any insight at all into how the sausage gets made is a great read.

People may have heard of "Rock Family Trees" - you look at the members of bands and trace backwards (and forwards) to see all the other bands involved. Here's an example for Crosby Stills & Nash ( http://familyofrock.com/browse/details/csny.html ) and one for Eric Clapton ( http://familyofrock.com/browse/details/clapton.html ) It could be interesting to do a "Start up family trees" to see the flow of people throughou…

Those family trees are fun. In a different life when I worked in one particular small, tight-knit industry I took a large whiteboard and traced each employee outward. That was a lot of fun.

I suspect in the case of Apple, however, that there would be a lot of circular loops many times over. =)

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by mikeash » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 9:40 PM UTC

parfe wrote: post #105

Nelson69 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari, Chrome, all the non-Windows phones (iOS, android, bada, blackberry, and webOS) and some lesser uses. I think some of the embedded Netflix implementations use it. It's pretty important.

Apple paid someone to hack on KHTML (In a most unfriendly manner) and Safari somehow becomes some of the most important code on the planet? Apple fans are a bit delusional. If Safari magically disappeared today Mozilla would notice a bump in downloads and everyone would go with their day.

A few hundred million iOS and Android devices would no longer be able to access the web.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by parfe » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 9:41 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #108

parfe wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple paid someone to hack on KHTML (In a most unfriendly manner) and Safari somehow becomes some of the most important code on the planet? Apple fans are a bit delusional. If Safari magically disappeared today Mozilla would notice a bump in downloads and everyone would go with their day.

A few hundred million iOS and Android devices would no longer be able to access the web.

For about 8 seconds before Android users downloaded Firefox.

iOS on the other hand is a prison so I suppose those users would just be screwed.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Post by mikeash » Fri, Jan 11, 2013, 9:46 PM UTC

parfe wrote: post #109

mikeash wrote: post #108

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A few hundred million iOS and Android devices would no longer be able to access the web.

For about 8 seconds before Android users downloaded Firefox. iOS on the other hand is a prison so I suppose those users would just be screwed.

What exactly is your argument, that it's not important because people could use something else if they had to? Does anything qualify as "important" with that definition?