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Re: Safari is released to the world

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post #57

> But we did have great seats, just a few rows from the front — you didn’t want to be too close in case something really went wrong. I wonder what that means.

Possibly a reference to the time a camera didn't work for Steve during a keynote and got thrown (fairly swiftly) at/to an employee in the first row.

http://youtu.be/mZG1ewSO0X4?t=1m10s

Re: Safari is released to the world

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post #57

> But we did have great seats, just a few rows from the front — you didn’t want to be too close in case something really went wrong. I wonder what that means.

I'm guessing that he didn't want it to be his sheepish face that Steve saw when searching for someone to blame.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprise, I would hope. :) And lack of recognition, I suppose.

Don, i am trying to understand why you (not you in person but Apple) went the open source route for safari but not for itunes etc. Can it be that, at that moment when you made the decision, web sites 'made for internet explorer', were too many. And you wanted the rendering engine on Mac to be widespread by getting from and giving to an open source project.

The only open source part of Safari is WebKit, which is a fork of KHTML, which was already open source. Seems obvious to me.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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post #48

I'd like to hear about how WebKit went mobile for the iPhone. Eg if Apple worked with Nokia and their port of WebKit to Symbian, or started their own port from scratch.

You must be kidding.

WebKit core gets commits from nearly every major hardware manufacturer and OS vendor that isn't Microsoft. Unless Apple's stripping all those commits out of spite, iOS WebKit contains code from Nokia, RIM, Samsung, HPalm, Google, and many others that might be seen as competitors otherwise.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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The mention of needing to keep the project a secret makes me wonder what would have been so different about things had the news leaked.

Let's say the browser user agent leaked or some enterprising reporter figured out what Apple was up to. What would have gone differently in that alternate universe?

Re: Safari is released to the world

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I'd like to hear about how WebKit went mobile for the iPhone. Eg if Apple worked with Nokia and their port of WebKit to Symbian, or started their own port from scratch.

Obviously the products may be been developed much earlier, but the Webkit browser on Nokia N95 was released to the market before the iPhone was released in 2007.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprise, I would hope. :) And lack of recognition, I suppose.

Don, i am trying to understand why you (not you in person but Apple) went the open source route for safari but not for itunes etc. Can it be that, at that moment when you made the decision, web sites 'made for internet explorer', were too many. And you wanted the rendering engine on Mac to be widespread by getting from and giving to an open source project.

Most likely because KHTML license was (still is) LGPL, which allows the creation of proprietary products with it (Safari) but requires all source code changes to be published.

Had KHTML been licensed under a BSD or MIT license, the browser world could potentially be very different from what it currently is.

Re: Safari is released to the world

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post #24

Just watched the Keynote announcement of Safari and I finally understand what 'Snapback' is (was?) I have been using a Mac since 2005 and never figured out what it did, then I stopped noticing it was even there.

Too late! The feature was removed (I think quite some time ago). Ok, admittedly it’s still there in the menu, but no longer given any space in the UI. I understood what it was but I also never used it. It sounds useful, but somehow isn’t for some reason, at least that’s the case for me. I wonder whether there were ever any number of people who really used the feature. That also goes to show that just having a useful…

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