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Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

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Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

#331

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If hmexx is looking for a cofounder the numbers make sense. If hmexx is creating an incubator they don't because there is no meat on the bone at 50% equity. The founder has no way of getting more runway without becoming a minority shareholder - there aren't any good choices once the $5000 is gone. Maybe, hmexx has structured his offer without considering the ramifications of 50% stake as an incubator. I'm somewhat in…

You're missing out on the 3rd option: hmexx could gamble 100K, do 12 of these and finally pick the one winner to spend all the rest of his time on and drop the rest. And of course the founder has a way of getting more runway without becoming a minority shareholder: put more money in.

Yes, and it's the third option that raises the question, does hmexx retain 50% ownership of the other 11 projects? If so, those founders are married to a disinterested partner with veto power.

If hmexx can conjure traction with $3k and little further effort, then entry into his incubator could make sense, even for a person with the resources to develop the project on their own, at least from the standpoint of logical possibility.

Is it good for hmexx's investment to structure a deal likely to produce problems for the counterparty after two months? I guess that depends on whether one believes that fast failures should be total and lead to abandonment or partial leading to adjustment.

A safe strategy for the counterparty to hmexx's incubator option is to produce a minimum MVP and go passive, letting hmexx do all the heavy lifting if he wants to move the project forward.

What I see is that a 50-50 incubator split doesn't align with the interests of either party. It disincentivizes the developer from seeking to raise outside capital, and should the developer choose to pursue outside capital, the developer must use some of his limited runway to do so.

It seems to me that the sorts of developers for whom hmexx's offer is most appealing are those less likely to raise additional capital on their own - i.e. if they were able to raise capital on their own, they might not need hmexx (a talent which conjures traction for $3000, aside).

If hmexx's role includes providing the additional capital investment after runway, then the deal is actually structured to give him majority control. If hmexx's role includes raising capital from third parties, then he is going wind up a minority shareholder anyway, so why not maximize the incentive for the active developer to develop?

Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

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I've taken substantially larger chances on some HN members, anonymous to me at the time and I think everybody came out ahead, sometimes even considerably ahead. What you would do or not do is entirely besides the point. If you don't think this is a valid proposition, then don't do it. Who cares who the 'candidate' is, I'm sure that anybody that enters into this will want to know before they commit to two months work,…

This is basically a 'poker' business deal, there is risk to it, some bluffing, and you hold most if not all of the chips. I got for the 'chess' business deal, strategy, tactics, planning, thinking ahead of the competition, sacrificing time and pieces to advance that pawn or take key pieces and then win the game. No bluffing, just out-thinking and studying book moves. Chess in 12 dimensions actually.

Poker or chess, it doesn't matter. They are both adversarial contests over a finite pie.

What makes YC successful is baking pies.

Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

#333

wow has NOBODY considered the idea that this guy is just harvesting your ideas? who knows how sincere the offer is. phishing 101

Ideas aren't as sacred as you'd think. It's the execution of them that generates revenue.

You are underestimating ideas.While I do agree with you in 80%-90% of cases, there are still excellent ideas that should stay under the radar.If you don't execute an idea doesn't mean it worths nothing.It means you don't harness it's power.It's kind of the same as having 1 ton of gold in your garage and keeping it there.

Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

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I'm skeptical that "first mover advantage" is very important. There are many examples of products and services that were not first, but became the best and won.

Kevin O'Leary says pioneers get slaughtered and settlers get rich. First to move well on a proven idea - and keep moving on it - may have the advantage. First to act? Not so much.

There are pros and cons to being first mover or second mover and examples of successes and failures of each. I prefer second mover, as someone else has de-risked, educated the market, etc. Now it's just to improve/differentiate, and capture market share (all things that are easier said than done!).

Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

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I don't understand what your tone is responding to.

I think he's implying that marketing isn't much of a skill - that competent people with a good product should market themselves. I've heard this from engineers before though can't say I know enough about the intricacies of marketing to weigh in.

I know some great marketing people. I have never met an engineer that gets even close. But I am sure there are exceptions.

Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

#338

Premise 2 is flawed IMO. An MVP built by a lone, but talented techie for $5000 / number_of_hours, isn't likely to turn into something 'successful' at all because 1) someone who values their time so little is probably not that talented, and 2) an idea whose perceived valuation is essentially $8K probably isn't that good to begin with.

As another Latin American mentioned, the US isn't the only country in the world.

U$ 5.000 is about what I get for 3 months of salary, so it works out.

I agree I'm not talented... at selling myself, but I do believe myself capable of building something in 3 months.

I like the proposition in principle, I won't do it because I have too many financial commitments and it sounds too risky and I have only one shot, if I was a kid just out of college I might have done it.

The government of my country has a similar offer, but with 0% equity, for local entrepreneurs, I'll try to take on that offer :) .

Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

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I'm now imagining building a marketplace site roughly like eLance/oDesk/whatever else, where the investor can put money in escrow and clients (freelancers) can "bid"--but it's the freelancers who are proposing the jobs in their entirety, not the investor.

http://makermatch.herokuapp.com Just put this together. No escrow or anything and haven't fully implemented bidding but let's see if there's any interest.

If nothing else, that is one of the best, most clever, most appropriate names I've ever seen.

Re: Proposition HN: I will pay $8000 for you to build your side-project/MVP

#340

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There is a startup doing exactly that (crowd-sourced investments), can't remember the name. If I'm not mistaken the US law wouldn't allow that until very recently, even still the legal details aren't clear yet. AngelList also serves that purpose.

Founders Club?

yep, Founders Club does that but probably only for more advanced projects that have already recevived some angel/seed money from an established incubator/accelerator.
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