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Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by malkia »

felideon wrote: post #42
rayiner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much exactly how I felt about mine (before I returned it for an iPhone 5). It does indeed not suck. But you just can't shake the feeling that "this will be better two revisions from now." Take an exceedingly simple example: load up Hacker News, then look at the screen as you rotate the phone from portrait to landscape and back. On an iPhone 5, the rotation is smooth. On the Lumia 920, you see flashes of…

> Over the weekend I was trying to surf HN while feeding my baby Hopefully that's not a habit. Enjoy your baby!

And when he/she grows up, your phone would be lost forever... in their little hands :)

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by pmelendez »

rayiner wrote: post #30
breckinloggins wrote: post #2

I've played with the Lumia at Best Buy a few times. It's a solid, attractive phone and I wouldn't be ashamed to carry one at all. I'm an iOS guy but as far as Windows Phone goes, I have to say it doesn't suck. I'm not saying that Microsoft's phone and tablet businesses will become a resounding success in spite of all current evidence, but I will say it would be a mistake to dismiss them.

That's pretty much exactly how I felt about mine (before I returned it for an iPhone 5). It does indeed not suck. But you just can't shake the feeling that "this will be better two revisions from now." Take an exceedingly simple example: load up Hacker News, then look at the screen as you rotate the phone from portrait to landscape and back. On an iPhone 5, the rotation is smooth. On the Lumia 920, you see flashes of…

I think you are being a bit too used to the iPhone experience. For instance, for me the example on the camera app is very intuitive, specially because the image animates out of screen in that direction so it looks pretty natural to me.

I came from iPhone 3G, and an Android 2.1 before having a Lumia 900 (which I lost) and now a Lumia 920. I have to say that the windows phone experience was the most pleasant to me. Probably since I had worked with all them in a daily basis before that I am not specifically attached to anyone.

I am agreed that 920 doesn't feel like a mainstream phone because the form factor, but it is good enough for the "experiment"/bet that they are doing. If this generation would sell decent I think we would see a lot of 92x where people would choose the model that fixes better to them.

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

#53

Post by mc32 »

mtgx wrote: post #6

I don't know why manufacturers aren't using machined polycarbonate more the way Nokia and HTC do. It seems LG and Sony are just now trying to be where Apple was 2 years ago with the glass-back phones, which I think was a very poor material to use and a mistake on Apple's part. I think they quickly realized that, but it took them a while to create an aluminum iPhone the right way, because as we know aluminum is not gr…

>Nokia's growth is being limited a lot by WP's own growth right now

According to Nokia they can't manufacture enough to satiate demand (components supply constriction). So even if they had chosen Android, they'd have the same unit sales. "Mr. Elop said the company has experienced supply problems, as certain mobile components have been in short supply, both for Nokia and other phone makers." Unless some of the unavailable components are WP-only, this is the main issue.

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by rayiner »

felideon wrote: post #42
rayiner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much exactly how I felt about mine (before I returned it for an iPhone 5). It does indeed not suck. But you just can't shake the feeling that "this will be better two revisions from now." Take an exceedingly simple example: load up Hacker News, then look at the screen as you rotate the phone from portrait to landscape and back. On an iPhone 5, the rotation is smooth. On the Lumia 920, you see flashes of…

> Over the weekend I was trying to surf HN while feeding my baby Hopefully that's not a habit. Enjoy your baby!

The first feeding of the day both you and the baby want to bond. By the fourth, the baby just wants to download milk from the bottle into her tummy as fast as possible and you want to veg out on the Internet. :)

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by w1ntermute »

glass- wrote: post #16
mtgx wrote: post #6

I don't know why manufacturers aren't using machined polycarbonate more the way Nokia and HTC do. It seems LG and Sony are just now trying to be where Apple was 2 years ago with the glass-back phones, which I think was a very poor material to use and a mistake on Apple's part. I think they quickly realized that, but it took them a while to create an aluminum iPhone the right way, because as we know aluminum is not gr…

Samsung is the only manufacturer that is making money from Android, and Samsung doesn't advertise that they use Android anywhere in their marketing. Most Samsung phones don't even show an Android logo when you turn them on. Consumers don't know about or care about Android. "Normal" people do not go into a store looking for an Android. If Nokia had gone with Android, they would be in the exact same position they are n…

> Consumers don't know about or care about Android. "Normal" people do not go into a store looking for an Android.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Android is a well-known brand these days, and many people recognize the difference between smartphone OSes.

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by FireBeyond »

lmm wrote: post #27
mattmaroon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give them credit. If you would have told me before Windows Phone launched that I'd be frequently reading iOS users saying it doesn't suck, I wouldn't have believed you. I feel like at this stage of the game that's a win. I'm still probably not switching though.

That's the thing. MS has actually produced a really good product, better than any of the alternatives. But it's not going to be enough, because they're too late to get the app developers.

Yes and no... on one hand, I'm at times frustrated by the app selection, on the other hand, every day I look at the Marketplace, some other app is there (and I realize I miss less and less yet another app I had on my iPhone).

On the /third/ hand, I find myself more and more tempted to download VS2012 every day and do some development of my own.

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by guard-of-terra »

mattmaroon wrote: post #15
breckinloggins wrote: post #2

I've played with the Lumia at Best Buy a few times. It's a solid, attractive phone and I wouldn't be ashamed to carry one at all. I'm an iOS guy but as far as Windows Phone goes, I have to say it doesn't suck. I'm not saying that Microsoft's phone and tablet businesses will become a resounding success in spite of all current evidence, but I will say it would be a mistake to dismiss them.

I'll give them credit. If you would have told me before Windows Phone launched that I'd be frequently reading iOS users saying it doesn't suck, I wouldn't have believed you. I feel like at this stage of the game that's a win. I'm still probably not switching though.

Maybe it's part because of psychological politics.

The market leader (that is, Apple/iOS; the numbers are irrelevant, they feel they're the leader today) is usually hostile to number 2 but friendly to number 3. While number 2 is usually hostile to number 3 - look how Google tries to bully WP.

(For example, MS used to bash Linux but kind of threw a bone to FreeBSD)

And this translates from companies to companies' customers.

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by rayiner »

pmelendez wrote: post #52
rayiner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty much exactly how I felt about mine (before I returned it for an iPhone 5). It does indeed not suck. But you just can't shake the feeling that "this will be better two revisions from now." Take an exceedingly simple example: load up Hacker News, then look at the screen as you rotate the phone from portrait to landscape and back. On an iPhone 5, the rotation is smooth. On the Lumia 920, you see flashes of…

I think you are being a bit too used to the iPhone experience. For instance, for me the example on the camera app is very intuitive, specially because the image animates out of screen in that direction so it looks pretty natural to me. I came from iPhone 3G, and an Android 2.1 before having a Lumia 900 (which I lost) and now a Lumia 920. I have to say that the windows phone experience was the most pleasant to me. Pro…

Some of the stuff is familiarity, I'm sure, but a lot is immaturity. Things aren't worse just because they're different, but at the same time just because things are different doesn't mean they're not worse.

Consider the following issues:

1) In the text message app, the keyboard leaves way less room for seeing the previous texts in your conversation than on iOS. Is this not worse?

2) IE10 shows more artifacts in the process of rendering than Safari. E.g. the aforementioned visible re-rendering during orientation changes instead of the smooth transition. Is this not worse?

3) I'm not sure whether this is the fault of WP8 or the specific apps I used, but chat apps seem to restart each time you switch to them (showing a splash screen), instead of being re-hydrated from memory.

4) When you select a drop-down dialog in IE10, it takes up the whole screen. In iOS it takes up only part of the screen so you can maintain some context by still being able to see part of the page. Is this not worse?

5) Abandoning skeuomorphism makes it harder to figure out what the active parts of the screen are. I think my mom would find the "People" app downright confusing with how it blends bits of the next screen into the current one. It's like a point-and-click adventure game--not always obvious what things are touchable.

6) The ordering of items in the settings menu is, as far as I can tell, totally random.

7) Live tiles can chew through battery life if you're not careful, diminishing their utility.

8) On initial release, the Lumia 920 and WP8 were objectively buggy. Most reviews, and my initial impression, mentioned bad battery life, but those largely went away with the Portico update and a few cycles of discharging the battery all the way, along with turning off NFC. Not exactly the way to launch a highly polished, come-back product.

Re: Nokia sold 4.4 million Lumia smartphones in 'solid' Q4 2012

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Post by milanvrekic »

I bought one, had it for two weeks and crawled back to iOS. Phone as a phone is very solid and beautiful, but Windows Mobile 8 is still a disaster.

Doing a factory reset (regular, honest-to-god, get in the menu and select a reset) bricked the phone. And it seems to be common bug. Microsoft is blaming Nokia and Nokia is Blaming Microsoft....

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