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Android hasn't worked out well for HTC.
I didn't realize that 4 years of profitability meant not working out well.
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The vast majority of those Lumias will be the high-end 920 and the slightly-less-high-end 820. Whereas those Android activations include everything and the kitchen sink. The Lumia 820, which is a lower-end and lower-priced WP8 phone, should be coming out this quarter, and is being mainly targeted at countries like India.
> The vast majority of those Lumias will be the high-end 920 and the slightly-less-high-end 820. Where did you get the breakdown by device? This is the best I've seen and doesn't seem to reflect your sentiment at all: http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/winphone-usage-dec.jpg > Whereas those Android activations include everything and the kitchen sink. OK, and? Nokia sells devices in exactly the same price ranges as…
> OK, and? Nokia sells devices in exactly the same price ranges as Android. iPhone and GS3 sales absolutely crush Nokia on their own as well, so not sure what your point was exactly.
My point was putting your "17.1 million devices on Christmas Day alone" FUD statistic into perspective.
Yes, Apple and Samsung are still doing better, but that doesn't invalidate what Nokia has accomplished here.
I have a Nokia 920 and its solid, really solid. I went back to my iPhone over Christmas (I do mobile development) and I was thankful when I got back to the 920. Its very fast, very functional, love updating tiles. The only gotcha is music - the iPhone still crushes everyone on music apps / syncing / acquisition. Otherwise, the 920 was equal or better - even apps are coming along. Only missing Strava now for me.
What music apps is WP missing in your experience?
Last I read, Nokia accounts for 75% of all WP device sales, which means we can estimate around 6 million WP devices were shipped (not sold) during Q4 2012. Unlike Apple (which also calls shipments "sales" in their quarterly report), Nokia devices aren't in incredibly high demand (other than perhaps the 920). I can't really see how this is good news for WP when Android and iOS activated 17.1 million devices on Christm…
To put that in perspective with Android sales, the whole of WP sold in a quarter as much as Android in 4 days. I still think Nokia made a huge mistake not making Android phones, too. 4 million Lumias (low-end and high-end ones) is not enough to make them recover on time. They'll still probably get acquired, possibly this year.
I have a Nokia 920 and its solid, really solid. I went back to my iPhone over Christmas (I do mobile development) and I was thankful when I got back to the 920. Its very fast, very functional, love updating tiles. The only gotcha is music - the iPhone still crushes everyone on music apps / syncing / acquisition. Otherwise, the 920 was equal or better - even apps are coming along. Only missing Strava now for me.
Oh heck I don't know what it's called.
The music rental thing, is actually pretty damned good. However like spotify it is missing some artists.
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> The vast majority of those Lumias will be the high-end 920 and the slightly-less-high-end 820. Where did you get the breakdown by device? This is the best I've seen and doesn't seem to reflect your sentiment at all: http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/winphone-usage-dec.jpg > Whereas those Android activations include everything and the kitchen sink. OK, and? Nokia sells devices in exactly the same price ranges as…
Really? You're posting a graph that shows overall usage of WP devices, that could have been bought at any time in the last 2 years, and trying to present it as data suggesting that more old devices were sold. If anything that graph demonstrates the opposite of what you're saying, as the 920 already has 10% of total WP usage, despite only being released a few months ago. > OK, and? Nokia sells devices in exactly the s…
Secondly, you need to look up the meaning of the acronym "FUD", because you really blew it there.
I've played with the Lumia at Best Buy a few times. It's a solid, attractive phone and I wouldn't be ashamed to carry one at all. I'm an iOS guy but as far as Windows Phone goes, I have to say it doesn't suck. I'm not saying that Microsoft's phone and tablet businesses will become a resounding success in spite of all current evidence, but I will say it would be a mistake to dismiss them.
I'll give them credit. If you would have told me before Windows Phone launched that I'd be frequently reading iOS users saying it doesn't suck, I wouldn't have believed you. I feel like at this stage of the game that's a win. I'm still probably not switching though.
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I'll give them credit. If you would have told me before Windows Phone launched that I'd be frequently reading iOS users saying it doesn't suck, I wouldn't have believed you. I feel like at this stage of the game that's a win. I'm still probably not switching though.
That's the thing. MS has actually produced a really good product, better than any of the alternatives. But it's not going to be enough, because they're too late to get the app developers.
I don't know why manufacturers aren't using machined polycarbonate more the way Nokia and HTC do. It seems LG and Sony are just now trying to be where Apple was 2 years ago with the glass-back phones, which I think was a very poor material to use and a mistake on Apple's part. I think they quickly realized that, but it took them a while to create an aluminum iPhone the right way, because as we know aluminum is not gr…
Samsung is the only manufacturer that is making money from Android, and Samsung doesn't advertise that they use Android anywhere in their marketing. Most Samsung phones don't even show an Android logo when you turn them on. Consumers don't know about or care about Android. "Normal" people do not go into a store looking for an Android. If Nokia had gone with Android, they would be in the exact same position they are n…
I've played with the Lumia at Best Buy a few times. It's a solid, attractive phone and I wouldn't be ashamed to carry one at all. I'm an iOS guy but as far as Windows Phone goes, I have to say it doesn't suck. I'm not saying that Microsoft's phone and tablet businesses will become a resounding success in spite of all current evidence, but I will say it would be a mistake to dismiss them.
Take an exceedingly simple example: load up Hacker News, then look at the screen as you rotate the phone from portrait to landscape and back. On an iPhone 5, the rotation is smooth. On the Lumia 920, you see flashes of white as the screen is repainted in the new orientation.
Yeah, this is window dressing, but it part of the user experience. This kind of attention to the user experience is missing throughout WP8. For example, the user interface relies heavily on glyphs (minimalistic icons), but doesn't use them consistently. In the Camera app, to get to the Photo Roll, you click an arrow icon. Does an arrow make me immediately think of my other photos? iOS uses a thumbnail of your most recent photo.
And I think Nokia made a huge mistake with the form factor. Over the weekend I was trying to surf HN while feeding my baby, and I thought I was going to drop the phone on her. The extra weight (60% heavier than an iPhone) makes it that much harder to rely on friction to keep it in your hand. There is no way it would be a comfortable fit for my wife or my mom. The Lumia 820 is probably a better "appropriate for everyone" phone, but with a low-res screen, etc, it's not positioned that way.