Since the beginning of the financial crisis the media has constantly been repeating that the housing market was key to recovery and that the government had to do things to help prop up house prices. As someone who would like to own a house in the future, I find it quite unfair that the government is helping to maintain bubble prices. It is yet another way for current homeowners to to extract as much money as possible…
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Young People Are Screwed: Here's How To Survive
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#42Networking is seriously important. It will be valuable now and for the far off future. It's the worst thing holding back my buddies at our small town back home. They don't know anyone who is successful and wouldn't have anything to offer a successful person anyways. So, they are stuck in their small ecosystem of the local pub and trading tips on low paying low skilled jobs. Combine skills, networking and the leverage…
And I agree with that. Your friends, much more than your network, define your outlook on life, your general attitude towards various successes and failures, the things you place the most importance in. If all of your friends are get-out-there-and-do-something people, it will rub off on you, even if not to the same extreme.
Furthermore, it's much easier to do something extreme or different if you have a friend group that wants to do it with you. Starting a business on your own is nearly impossible. Starting a business with a close friend is no cake walk, but now there is motivation. And regardless of what sort of way you try to be successful, friends can pool their networking resources.
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#43Since the beginning of the financial crisis the media has constantly been repeating that the housing market was key to recovery and that the government had to do things to help prop up house prices. As someone who would like to own a house in the future, I find it quite unfair that the government is helping to maintain bubble prices. It is yet another way for current homeowners to to extract as much money as possible…
It is interesting how many people are misinformed about this. The government hasn't and can't do anything to "prop up" house prices. It only sets the prime interest rate, which affects the ability of people to borrow money (specifically does it affect ARM mortgages), essentially the ability of people to "afford" housing, or the rate at which they'll be able to convert the debt behind their mortgage into equity.
Here is an interesting fact: My house whenever I can afford it, will _not_ be the most expensive thing I will have to buy in my life. My retirement savings are.
Again, not true. As you get older, as you're converting larger and larger portions of that debt behind your mortgage into equity, it should be close to being paid off by the time you reach retirement (the theoretical pie in the sky for our generation). So the amount of "retirement savings" one needs depends on what kind of housing situation one is in at the beginning of retirement. The sub-prime lending crisis occurred because people who HAD worked their whole lives, had accumulated their retirement savings in their houses or whatnot were literally swindled out of that savings by real estate people selling them "refinance" lemon loans and banking on the commissions.
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#44Since the beginning of the financial crisis the media has constantly been repeating that the housing market was key to recovery and that the government had to do things to help prop up house prices. As someone who would like to own a house in the future, I find it quite unfair that the government is helping to maintain bubble prices. It is yet another way for current homeowners to to extract as much money as possible…
the media has constantly been repeating that the housing market was key to recovery and that the government had to do things to help prop up house prices. It is interesting how many people are misinformed about this. The government hasn't and can't do anything to "prop up" house prices. It only sets the prime interest rate, which affects the ability of people to borrow money (specifically does it affect ARM mortgages…
It's even less than that. The Fed targets the Fed Funds Rate, which is the rate at which banks lend to each other overnight. ARMs are not based on overnight rates, but rather on rates of debt of duration of 1,5,7,10 yrs etc. (Granted the overnight rate may pull down the short end of the yield curve, but not necessarily.)
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
College costs a lot more than just tuition. You have room and board, fees and 'service charges' galore, textbooks, living expenses, etc.
I am aware. I've got one in college, one recently graduated, and one entering next year. And many of my kid's peers are currently in college. All of the room and board costs in every college we've looked at, or sent someone too, could be paid with a part time job taken at the same time as attending classes. The idea that getting a STEM degree is outside the reach of kids today without going into lifelong debt is a my…
It was such a pervasive piece of propaganda nonsense that entire groups of my peers, with their wallet terrified parent's blessing, made long reaching life long decisions not to pursue an upper education but try and land in the best possible vocational job.
I personally was so terrorized by it that I flaked out and never even took the SATs, convinced that my mediocre high school GPA had damned me to a life of cleaning drainage gutters, resurfacing outdoor wooden structures or at best tech support in a call center that, defeated, I didn't even try.
It wasn't until several years after graduating High School, fed up with dead-end bullshit jobs that I signed up to the local community college almost on a dare. I met with a very old, nearing retirement, placement councilor who completely turned my world upside down.
He carefully and patiently explained to me that the myth the education system propagated, the one that I, my classmates and our parents had been fed, was a complete a total line of nonsense. I sat there, in raw disbelief as I found out that I could finish my first two years of my undergrad there, then transfer every single one of my credits and start as a junior at the local state university. And I could do it at some ridiculous price that I, even making next to nothing, could easily afford.
I thought he was a liar, a schemer who was trying to put me onto something. Everything he said sounded like such a polar opposite of the system described to me during my teenage years that I went to another campus for the school and spoke to a completely different councilor who only confirmed everything, and also told me that the degree program I was interested in was so close to another program that if I took 2 more courses I could get both degrees almost for the price of one.
It's like spending a fortune on off-sale, high fashion brand shirts only to find out that if you wait a season you can pick up most of the same stuff at discount clothiers like Ross for $10 a shirt.
It took me a long time, as I was working and had significant living expenses to handle, but I finished my B.S. in 5 and a half years and my M.S. in 3 and a half -- debt free, paid for either on my own or by spending 20 minutes filling out grant applications at the student aid office.
It was madness. And it was the truth.
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#46While it is true that a four year college degree at Yale, or Stanford or USC can easily set you back $200K, the only reasonable thing about 'point 2' is that we don't need Spanish Majors, but we do need scientists, mathematicians, and engineeers. And a California State education is about $5k a year [1] or $20K for four years. Same cost as a car these days. You can pay off a car with a 60month loan, why not your colle…
The main fallacy of the whole rising-college-tuition thing is that students don't actually pay "sticker price". The actual cost is much less: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-27/misconceptions-101-...
... often.
OTOH, If you don't fit the mold, you may be screwed...
I've known any number of students who actually were paying full price for tuition at top-tier private universities [to the tune of $50,000/year] despite being quite poor. Some took out massive loans, others did full-time work and attended as best they could.
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#47Firstly, it's misleading to say that the cost of a UC Berkeley education is $210,000. That's the price is you're an out-of-state resident and you receive no financial aid. In-state residents without financial aid end up paying roughly $120,000 (and the cost is even less since most students live off-campus after their first year, but I digress). Going to the flagship state college in the state you live in is generally…
That's not entirely correct. The tuitions at many private schools these days lists at ~$200k for a 4-year undergrad and does not include expenses.
For example
https://undergraduate.admissions.gwu.edu/costs-attendance
Lists just tution at $45,735 while R&B is $10,530. So, assuming the rates don't change, tuition for an undergrad is $182,940 and other expenses run another $58,600 for a grand total of $241,540. So yeah, it's at around your upper bound, but just the difference between your lower and upper boundary was literally the entirety of my undergrad + grad degrees.
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#48Firstly, it's misleading to say that the cost of a UC Berkeley education is $210,000. That's the price is you're an out-of-state resident and you receive no financial aid. In-state residents without financial aid end up paying roughly $120,000 (and the cost is even less since most students live off-campus after their first year, but I digress). Going to the flagship state college in the state you live in is generally…
My family has a gross income of less than what you describe, and I have no siblings.
Merit scholarships are non unique to your argument. By definition few people will get them.
College is still expensive, as demand for a degree exceeds the supply of high quality schools, prices have only gone up.
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#49The scariest thing in the article is the unemployment graph from Calculated Risk. Isn't it interested at how Wall Street has gotten better and better at inflating bubbles that take longer and longer to recover from. I just wish the gov't was more focused on creating jobs instead of all the other BS they're fighting with each other over.
What that graph really shows is how deep the Great Recession was-- it should be compared to the Great Depression rather than the garden-variety recessions we've had since then.
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#50Since the beginning of the financial crisis the media has constantly been repeating that the housing market was key to recovery and that the government had to do things to help prop up house prices. As someone who would like to own a house in the future, I find it quite unfair that the government is helping to maintain bubble prices. It is yet another way for current homeowners to to extract as much money as possible…
The punchline, of course, is that retirement won't be a realistic option for our generation at 60. 25-75 leaves 50 working years, and that's what it'll probably take so we can pay for the boomer generation to retire and also save for our own. And I don't think it's a bad thing. It's patently ridiculous for a person to spend half their life not working, why should it involve less than an unreasonable savings rate to d…