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Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by eddieroger »

patja wrote: post #10

I see many parents who forbid their children from using Facebook, but they are barely aware of what Instagram is and have never heard of Snapchat. Needless to say, those children are all over Instagram and Snapchat. The first thing every adult says when I explain Snapchat is "oh, it is a sexting app!"

Lots of truth in this one. My uncle took away my cousin's phone a few months ago, and it didn't even phase her since her iPod had better communications tools than the dumbphone. She was texting via Kik (I thought it had died), Instragramming and FaceTiming. Talk about punishment.

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Post by personlurking »

prawks wrote: post #4
mcphilip wrote: post #2

Anecdotal evidence: I had never messed with Instragram until I got a girlfriend whose peer group used that exclusively over Facebook. These are all in the 28-32 age range. It seems they were all eager to use a system that just focused on sharing photos and didn't want all the 'bloat' associated with Facebook. In addition to preferring the focus on photosharing, there was a sense of just wanting to be back on a networ…

An interesting concept I hadn't thought of: how desirable is it from an aging Facebook user to start off with a clean slate? Given the amount of people I now know in my age group complaining that no one on their Facebook feeds is relevant to their lives post-university, I'd imagine it's quite high. I know my Facebook feed has acquired quite a bit of cruft over the years.

I delete people and don't feel bad about it thus I keep my FB(s) to minimum friend levels. I see a difference between people I like and have met vs. people who I share life experience with. I've kept the latter on my principal FB and subsequently created a separate FB for the former. Only those on the personal FB know about the acquaintance FB, but not vice-versa, of course. I don't even switch back and forth much, keeping it at a 80/20 time split. It works really well, actually.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by div »

rthomas6 wrote: post #18
jivatmanx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point, there will be a paid social network with significant membership. This is likely to occur after some particularly egregious and underhanded sale/use of user data by Facebook. It's likely to be more popular among older professionals, who care more about their reputation because of their career, and don't care about paying a minimal fee.

That would be kind of cool, actually. A $5 one-time fee for every user. It would keep out the riff-raff and spammers, and there would be no need to sell user content or even have ads at all.

A 5$ one-time fee is way too low. Advertisers will probably outspend anything that isn't a proper monthly subscription.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by prawks »

activepeanut wrote: post #8
prawks wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting concept I hadn't thought of: how desirable is it from an aging Facebook user to start off with a clean slate? Given the amount of people I now know in my age group complaining that no one on their Facebook feeds is relevant to their lives post-university, I'd imagine it's quite high. I know my Facebook feed has acquired quite a bit of cruft over the years.

Another problem, post-university, is keeping a clean Facebook profile when all your new connections are professionals. G+ solve this with circles, but I don't know anyone on G+, and it's too easy to make privacy mistakes on Facebook. My Facebook profile is turning into my new Linkedin as I'm getting older.

Add to that family members, and you have pretty much the problem with Facebook currently (imo): focus.

Unfortunately, it's also the only thing Facebook pretty much seeks to avoid, in favor of making the most connections between users as possible.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by prawks »

personlurking wrote: post #22
prawks wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting concept I hadn't thought of: how desirable is it from an aging Facebook user to start off with a clean slate? Given the amount of people I now know in my age group complaining that no one on their Facebook feeds is relevant to their lives post-university, I'd imagine it's quite high. I know my Facebook feed has acquired quite a bit of cruft over the years.

I delete people and don't feel bad about it thus I keep my FB(s) to minimum friend levels. I see a difference between people I like and have met vs. people who I share life experience with. I've kept the latter on my principal FB and subsequently created a separate FB for the former. Only those on the personal FB know about the acquaintance FB, but not vice-versa, of course. I don't even switch back and forth much, k…

My problem is that I delete many people, but I still have divides in groups: family, friends, co-workers, distant connections.

Separate accounts seems to really be the only option aside from trudging through heaps of menus to make lists. I had a list relegated to family/distant connections, however I can't for the life of me find out how to configure it again, or find it for that matter.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by dclusin »

rthomas6 wrote: post #18
jivatmanx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point, there will be a paid social network with significant membership. This is likely to occur after some particularly egregious and underhanded sale/use of user data by Facebook. It's likely to be more popular among older professionals, who care more about their reputation because of their career, and don't care about paying a minimal fee.

That would be kind of cool, actually. A $5 one-time fee for every user. It would keep out the riff-raff and spammers, and there would be no need to sell user content or even have ads at all.

That may be a bit low. Facebook makes approximately $5/year off of each user.

Another problem with a $5 one-time fees is that people expect to use your service in perpetuity. That price point probably isn't sustainable over a more than a few year period.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by 1123581321 »

kmfrk wrote: post #7
jacalata wrote: post #6

I am so happy to see someone make an effort to do more than tell a story of how their girlfriends cousins dog said something and so obviously facebook/college/everything is totally over. Anecdotes are for color, data is for predictions and analysis.

People are beginning to preface anecdotal evidence with "this just anecdotal, but ...", as if there is some loophole to the fallacy. It's really annoying when people confuse humility and an acknowledgement of a scarcity of evidence with jumping head-first into making a useless, fallacious argument. Personal stories are fine[1], but it's worth keeping in mind that one of the pre-eminent unironic peddlers of anecdotal…

People begin with that qualification because otherwise, someone will say it's not data and derail the conversation.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by 1337biz »

I don't want to come across as rude, but I am fascinated how easy people are buying into these numbers. From my perspective the survey is in its current form far less informative than the original anecdote.

There is absolutely zero information on the data source he or Survate was using. The population seems to be selected based on the single factor age - meaning they might be getting the data from the easiest, cheapest accessible data sources available. In the end most of the responses could be coming from 30 y/o guys in India clicking on random answers to earn their 5c on mTurk.

In contrast to that, the original anecdotal evidence had the full story, provided the exact context on why and how the data was generated. But data without context is no data.

Re: Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real

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Post by garry »

1337biz wrote: post #28

I don't want to come across as rude, but I am fascinated how easy people are buying into these numbers. From my perspective the survey is in its current form far less informative than the original anecdote. There is absolutely zero information on the data source he or Survate was using. The population seems to be selected based on the single factor age - meaning they might be getting the data from the easiest, cheape…

Survata is a survey-wall -- meaning you have to answer a survey before you see a given article. They have about 20 publishers signed up, and they're all non-spammy content. Users are all US-based, which can be verified via geo-ip, and there's little reason for people to spoof that here.

I never claimed to have more anecdotal evidence -- the whole point is to try to validate the claims via some form of data collection. It was cheap and fast to do.

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