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Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

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Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#21
The author is propagating the stereotype that introverts are anti-social. This is not the case. We simply require more time to ourselves for mental wellness. This does not preclude socializing or going to larger events.

The author could politely decline these invitations, citing personal reasons, while asserting that he appreciates being invited, but rather seems to take a confrontational approach. Lack of social grace, rather than introversion, seems to be his problem.

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#22
This has NOTHING to do with being extro or intro verted.

Meeting suck because they have a diminishing return that is hard to see. Being on the same page is awesome, spitting out "ideas" and "visions" for the company are rarely productive. Save that for going out to drinks after work.

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#23
"It has consistently been found that people produce more ideas when working alone as compared to when working in a group. Yet, people generally believe that group brainstorming is more effective than individual brainstorming. Further, group members are more satisfied with their performance than individuals, whereas they have generated fewer ideas."

I've never judged the productivity of a group session by the number of ideas produced. I think that's a terrible measure. I judge it by the quality of the few that the group settles on by the end. And in my experience, group sessions produce ideas of a quality that I could not have produced by myself. When working with good people, we riff off each other and fill in the gaps in each other's ideas that we wouldn't have even realized were there if we were working on our own.

It's very hard to spot your own weaknesses. I'm convinced that feedback is great and that getting out of your own head is great, and a good meeting can deliver that. Not always, of course. I'm a programmer. I like my me time, and I'm definitely not arguing for group work all or even close to most of the time. But I'm definitely a better person for the trips I take away from my shell.

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#24
This article flies in the face of so much contradictory experience that I'm not sure what to make of it. Here on HN we regularly see articles espousing the concepts of pair programming and code reviews and SCRUMs and other techniques involving groups. In research settings we regularly get together for lab meetings and journal clubs and conferences and discuss ideas, and generate lots of new ideas. Heck, people regularly convene on sites like Stack Overflow, not to just get answers, but to discuss ideas. These are all meetings which are productive and generate ideas, not just the convening of pontificating idiots.

There was a TED talk linked here on HN a while back, called "where good ideas come from" [1]. It completely disagrees with this article, but with facts instead of generalizations.

[1]: http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_where_good_ideas_com...

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#25
I've noticed two types of introverts: easy-going ones and curmudgeony ones. Likewise, I've noticed two types of extroverts: excited extroverts and unhappy ones. This is still a gross simplification, but it makes it easier to think about people's perspectives..

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#26

"It has consistently been found that people produce more ideas when working alone as compared to when working in a group. Yet, people generally believe that group brainstorming is more effective than individual brainstorming. Further, group members are more satisfied with their performance than individuals, whereas they have generated fewer ideas." I've never judged the productivity of a group session by the number o…

Group brainstorming is also about building a consensus about the ideas produced. People are more invested in ideas where they've put their mark. It may lead to bike-shedding, but sometimes that necessary if you want everyone to be invested and dedicated to the approach.

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#27
post #9

> I invite you to make a New Year’s resolution: Refrain from organizing stuff. Don’t plan parties or outings... All in the name of productivity! If the author feels parties are taking too much of his time away from work, can't he just not attend? No need to try and ruin everyone else's fun just because he wants to be miserable.

That's just the point. He's miserable when people _force_ him into social situations that serve no purpose other than socializing. He's not miserable when he's alone. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp for a lot of people.

The only thing that would force you to go to a party is not wanting to disappoint/irritate people. If the author doesn't care about having anything to do with other people so much then that shouldn't bother him.

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#28
It should be pointed out that the author is not a programmer but a college english professor so he is likely being invited to different sorts of meetings than the tech crowd may be used to.

Also, I happen to know the author to some small degree and I'm pretty sure his tongue is somewhat in cheek...

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#29

I think he misunderstands the purpose of meetings, or maybe I'm just cynical. Meetings are about showing social status. It's a way of establishing your control over others' time. It's not "Let's get together and be awesome." It's usually a show of either dominance, or deference (to a higher-status entity; you are deferring by committing your reports' time). Obviously, a few meetings have a real purpose, but most don'…

I'm fairly young (23) and have only had two "professional" jobs, but at both meetings weren't just power trips. We covered actual material.

Re: Hey Extraverts: Enough is Enough

#30
This article is itself complete hyperbole, and seems to just be glossing over a social disorder. Being a hermit and being an introvert are not the same, we have not come so far in society by ignoring one another, even animals work together and the ones that refuse are shunned. This is such a terrible generalization of something totally incorrect in the first place.
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