Do a lot of people click the lower "what do you want to make?" options?
And, I'm guessing all the jobs are going to be in the Bay Area, judging by the salary levels...
Or New York, or perhaps Chicago, Boston or a few other places.
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#92The salary ranges seem very high from my experience. I've been developing for a few years, and I know a handful of excellent developers working for big-name companies...and I know they're not making the numbers listed here. I want to believe $180k is doable for a software engineer, but I've yet to meet a salaried programmer over $110k. Am I keeping the wrong company? I should note I don't live in a major city, but ev…
They are very real. Perhaps you should sign up :P
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good work! However, there is no mention of telecommuting/remote positions. Even as a US worker, I prefer remote work, and it baffles me that us "internet folk" are not working hard to fight the industrial-era assumption that software has to be written in a central office.
Yes, several of the teams we are hiring for have 100% telecommute roles if you are able to legally work for a US based company. Just let us know in the Goals of this when signing up.
I also found it odd at first that "remote" wasn't one of checkboxes in Step 2, but figured it was something I would type in a subsequent free-text box.
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#94I noticed you guys used the same form UI as Barack Obama's donation page. I like it!
I was about to make the same comment. @kylerush, the developer with Obama posted the A/B testing of Barack Obama's donation page. Its a great design (apparently well-tested design) glad you guys are using it.
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Wow, that's pretty steep. Maybe that's just a west coast thing. I don't think most developers realize how much recruiters are getting paid for placements. 25% is pretty standard across US, we're less then that with our flat rate. Where I live (Ohio) that's 50% of the salary of a developer with 5 years of experience. This is why we built this product - assuming you are even remotely decent at programming and write cod…
25% is pretty standard across US, we're less then that with our flat rate. Fair comment however your flat fee equates to 25% of a $100k role. It doesn't become a viable economic alternative for employers until you reach the $150k mark. If your primary target is CTO level roles then great, otherwise your fee is ridiculous.
We haven't had any companies complain about our pricing. But oure real focus is on making a better experience.
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#96I'm currently hiring developers, and I also hate recruiters, for the reasons you outline. I was interested to learn about your flat $25K fee in the comments here, and I can tell you that I'd be unlikely to pay it. I have other ways to find developers that aren't so expensive.
If I'd bothered to sign up after reading "It's free to get started" then learned later about the hefty fee, I'd be disappointed at best. Since I didn't sign up, I don't know how much bait there is before the switch, but if you talk about the fee right away after the signup I guess it's sort of okay, since you didn't waste much of my time but you did receive my contact information under false pretenses.
I'll be interested to see how many takers you get at that fee level.
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We'll be creating a FAQ from this HN discussion. We intend to be very transparent. It is free for the developer. Even though it is different, we found it easiest when employers pay us similar to how they pay contingency recruiters, placement fees. Typically recruiters charge 25-35% of your first year salary, we charge a flat 25K fee to the employer that hires you. We also have a unique offering for startups where the…
As someone who is hiring, my problem is to also find developers who are not actively looking. Sometimes those are the best because they are talented but have an inertia to move anywhere and may not even be aware of interesting challenges in other areas that their skills are applicable to, such as Healthcare etc. Also for a 80K salary, 25K is just too steep, given that we do not know how your screening process works.
developers who are not actively looking...are the best because they are talented but have an inertia to move anywhere and may not even be aware of interesting challenges in other areas that their skills are applicable to
Exactly. We couldn't agree more and that seems to be the majority of Pitchbox members. It's more of passive tool..."here are some things I'm looking for, don't contact me until you find it, in the meantime I'll enjoy what I'm currently working on."
Being contingency based, there is no cost to anyone until everyone is happy.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it baffles me that us "internet folk" are not working hard to fight the industrial-era assumption that software has to be written in a central office Have you considered that some of us LIKE working in an office?
Of course, some people like working in offices; that was never disputed. However, there are an increasing number of organizations which have caught on that offices are not "software factories", but rather, an optional luxury.
I just think that we're not fighting for it because not that many of us really care.
Not that I would be opposed to the option of course.
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#99Just went through the signup process. There should be a textbox for those of us who don't maintain great github profiles to say a few words about ourselves.
I just submitted, but I'm a product manager - looks like you're focusing on engineers only? We're useful too (sometimes).
I'd say they're focusing on software developers (ok, software engineers). They're more niche than 'engineers', which CS intersects. I agree it's less than obvious.
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#100The salary ranges seem very high from my experience. I've been developing for a few years, and I know a handful of excellent developers working for big-name companies...and I know they're not making the numbers listed here. I want to believe $180k is doable for a software engineer, but I've yet to meet a salaried programmer over $110k. Am I keeping the wrong company? I should note I don't live in a major city, but ev…
A single number for income is always difficult. For me annual salary is base pay. Bonuses, stock options/awards, benefits are in addition to this. If that is the case then the ranges look reasonable (also I like the coarse granularity); if this is the sum of base-pay, bonus, stock-options, benefits, then this range is low by at least 50K