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Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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> But no one acknowledged that the same exact day, 100s of thousands of cops did their job, stopping crime and protecting the citizens. Some risking their lives to do so. Nobody acknowledged that probably because that is their fucking job. That is what they are getting paid to do and are entrusted with certain powers. It is funny how the tables were turned and the baseline was reset. Now somehow cops who don't fuck u…

> But a lot of people are surprised if a cop in US does I don't think so. I would assume people in all jobs abuse their power, not just police, and not just in the US.

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Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Actually, a "few bent cops" do mean that all police officers are like that to some degree. Obviously they aren't all going out and committing crime, but by not policing each other, they are colluding with those who do. Police simply don't face the same consequences for violent crimes that ordinary citizens do, and that is because of the culture of policing that all police are to some degree responsible for. When was…

> Obviously they aren't all going out and committing crime, but by not policing each other, they are colluding with those who do. Depends on how you define crime? I see cops who park illegally, speed without turning on sirens, turn on sirens because they don't want to stand at the light, idle their cars for hours at a time, and make illegal right-on-red turns every single day . And guess what? They'll write you a tic…

Film them, then sue them personally (or departmentally)?

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Of course I am biased, just like any other publication. The principal difference is that I openly declare my bias, and try to provide alternate sources for verification. Cheers, Rick

Why do you write: "Sweden has a justice system unworthy of a banana republic.". Do you imply that Sweden should identify itself as a banana republic?

Because a justice system must consistently uphold rights of citizens. Its best-case scenario is not particularly interesting; it is the worst-case scenario that must be good enough, still guaranteeing citizens' rights and due process in every relevant stage.

The case presented here is worse than what I would expect from typical banana republics, showing corruption at every step of the way.

Cheers, Rick

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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I'm trying to figure out how to get Adam Curtis to make a doco about all of this political machination. It would be an entertaining and interesting watch. Surely someone on HN has his ear? Whisper the idea would you, please.

http://www.tpbafk.tv

A documentary film-maker has been filming this since 2008. It scheduled for release in 2013 and will be released as download (cc licensed), but also on Swedish national TV.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Down with government! The internet is dead! LONG LIVE THE INTERNET! Honestly though, Sweden will never be forgiven. I hassle Swedes every time I see them now, and have done for nearly a couple of years. Mostly they are ignorant (particularly the older ones), but some of the young people are on our side (though not necessarily following the issues). Seems their political and legal systems have slipped together in to e…

I'm a Swede who will gladly punch you in the face when I see you. The Pirate Bay trial was a spectacle but in no way representative for Sweden in general.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Obviously it's a bit of a stretch. The term is being used here because it's another example of corporations becoming powerful enough to impose their will on the the justice system of a territorial state.

Corporations aren't the entities with a monopoly on the use of force. Governments are.

Well, that depends on whether we're talking about banana republics or ideal republics.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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The biggest mistake they made was not hearing the case in the supreme court. There are some strange things in the verdict which I think if not revised at least should be addressed to regain some trust from the public. For example:

"One factor making this case special is that the main crime is not particularly severe, as seen individually they are of limited scope, not organized and not commercial", p43.

"It should be noted that in paragraph 9 in directive 2004/48/EC of the European Parliament and the Council of 29 April 2004 on the enforcement of intellectual property rights the following is concluded: 'Infringements of intellectual property rights appear to be increasingly linked to organised crime. Increasing use of the Internet enables pirated products to be distributed instantly around the globe.'", p46

"That copyright infringement by illegal file-sharing is a social problem, which in later years spread like wildfire, does according to the court of appeal appear close to a publicly known fact", p46.

"The court of appeals overall assessment finds it clear that the illegal file-sharing quickly reached proportions at which the general preventive considerations must have great importance in the application of the law. According to the court of appeal there are therefore concerning this form of copyright infringement very special reasons to see the crime of such severity that the sentencing should be imprisonment", p47.

So... Judges joins copyright organization. Copyright organization tells judges that file-sharing is bad. Judges sees file-sharing as a huge social problem. Judges sentence defendants to exceptional sentences without being biased?

http://cybernormer.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/defavgdok.p...

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And then some mock Assange when he expresses fears that it could be the perfect scheme to grab him and extradite him to the US in the end. Reading this, I would also be myself cautious in the Sweden justice system. And btw my position is not against Swede at all, I think the justice system of my own country (France) is no better and is also rigged toward what the establishment/politics have decided.

I think Assange is right to fear that he would be turned over to US. They would find a way or a loophole or just an excuse to do it.

No loopholes needed, just ask Ahmed Agiza.
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