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Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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Could ``Bicholim Conflict'' have been a potential Mountweazel for Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_entry

I don't see why it would have been created for that purpose, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of kudzu sites scraping Wikipedia and cloning its articles as early as 2005:

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo3.htm#Bastard

Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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>...William Beutler, president of Beutler Wiki Relations, a Wikipedia consulting firm, told Yahoo News. What? How is 'wikipedia consulting firm' a thing?

I have started a Hacker News Consulting firm, and if you want to interview me about how this is "a thing" for a major news article that gets my name in print, I would be happy to explain that to you.

Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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It should be relatively easy to create a Wikipedia page about something so obscure that nobody is actively looking for it or an expert in it. Add to it, it is well-written and appears to be well-referenced by made-up books.

The article talks about an admittedly little-known clash between India and Portugal in the 1600's where there was little damage or historical consequence after. It's like an island in the ocean of wikipedia, rather than a new island inserted into a river that people pass by every day.

It'd be much harder to make up something about a little known clash between Germany and Canada during World War 2 because so many experts on WW2 exist.

Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there really something like a "save way"? Every expressed knowledge can be wrong in the end. You can increase your level of certainty by checking the origin of the information, reputation of source and author, or by measuring against common sense. What degree of certainty is needed for - looking up a subject you are generally interested in? A undergrad paper? A local newspaper journalist? A doctoral thesis? 90% of…

> Wikipedia is certainly a safe source for that. Until you want to know about India-Portugal relations.

And this of course is the tricky bit. There is a parable about a conqueror who captured a city by throwing a handful of diseased grain into the grainary and telling the town this. The town surrendered to his siege rather than anyone eat possibly tainted grain.

Of course the message is that you can sometimes destroy the value of a large asset or strength with a small act. The trick is that if anyone ate the grain it was unlikely they would get sick, but if someone did get the tainted grains they would get very very sick and possibly die. Wikipedia lives and dies by who is willing to use it as a source of information, and once that source it tainted "enough" the bit flips and nobody uses it.

Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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A problem that prevents people from spotting things like this is that there are tons and tons of sites that just have copies of Wikipedia articles or the site just blindly copies things from Wikipedia. For example... Alicia Keys birthday on Wikipedia is wrong, she was born in 1980, not 1981. If you read the Talk page about this there are several times where discussion of this takes place. But due to a Wiki Admin sitt…

Wikipedia is not about truth, it is about verifiability. That's fine, everyone[1] knows this. Anything that appears in WP should be traceable to multiple reliable printed sources. For the article you mention there should be some way of getting multiple reliable sources of a birthdate. When one person sits on a page there's verious conflict resolution measure to jump through that might help. I hate WP so I'm not going…

>What's troubling about the OP is that this WP article was a good article, and so should have had some kind of thorough vetting. That's disconcerting.

It did fail featured article review because it was missing page numbers. I can hope that if the hoaxer had then provided fictitious page numbers, someone would have looked for the sources.

>Also, once an article reaches good or great (or whatever) status I'm not sure if there's any way for visitors to get that exact version of the article, rather than just what today's edit it.

It'll be listed on the talk page, though obviously that doesn't help the average visitor. (Though, the average visitor probably wouldn't notice the good article badge in the first place.)

Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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A problem that prevents people from spotting things like this is that there are tons and tons of sites that just have copies of Wikipedia articles or the site just blindly copies things from Wikipedia. For example... Alicia Keys birthday on Wikipedia is wrong, she was born in 1980, not 1981. If you read the Talk page about this there are several times where discussion of this takes place. But due to a Wiki Admin sitt…

Wikipedia is not about truth, it is about verifiability. That's fine, everyone[1] knows this. Anything that appears in WP should be traceable to multiple reliable printed sources. For the article you mention there should be some way of getting multiple reliable sources of a birthdate. When one person sits on a page there's verious conflict resolution measure to jump through that might help. I hate WP so I'm not going…

Yes I believe I suggested adding in both years as a compromise unfortunately the admin would not budge.

Going through various commitee groups on Wikpedia to get this compromise did not seem like a good use of my time

Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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A problem that prevents people from spotting things like this is that there are tons and tons of sites that just have copies of Wikipedia articles or the site just blindly copies things from Wikipedia. For example... Alicia Keys birthday on Wikipedia is wrong, she was born in 1980, not 1981. If you read the Talk page about this there are several times where discussion of this takes place. But due to a Wiki Admin sitt…

Wikipedia is not about truth, it is about verifiability. That's fine, everyone[1] knows this. Anything that appears in WP should be traceable to multiple reliable printed sources. For the article you mention there should be some way of getting multiple reliable sources of a birthdate. When one person sits on a page there's verious conflict resolution measure to jump through that might help. I hate WP so I'm not going…

"Anything that appears in WP should be traceable to multiple reliable printed sources."

However, even "professional" journalists have become so sloppy these days that it's likely that the printed source used Wikipedia as the basis for its information.

Re: Hoax article on India-Portugal clash fools Wikipedia for 5 years

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One of the results of Wikipedia, is that I now take every supposedly reliable article with a grain of salt. Any encyclopedia that doesn't provide detailed references that I can review, I presume to be inaccurate until proven otherwise.

That, I think, is the greatest contribution that Wikipedia has made - it requires people to cite their sources, before they get any credibility; and even then, there is always some doubt.

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