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Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

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I wish someone had given me advice along these lines, long ago: (a) Make sure you have a really strong grip on your finances. (You sound like you probably do but I'm mentioning it anyway.) Include worst-case planning like the scenario where you are pulling part-time shifts flipping burgers or whatever -- the more savings you can accumulate early, I'd bet the happier you'll be. This industry most definitely does have…

All phenomenal points. I think this is most likely going to be the route i'll take. I'll continue working and taking one or two classes a semester until I get the degree. Really good points across the board, definitely quality advice and I really appreciate your time.

I actually totally disagree with this. You don't get the full immersion when you're part time. I think this actually cheapens the whole experience. Old people (read: anyone above 27, including myself) do this because we have to. we have a house and a family and obligations. You're young, you don't have these obligations.

Going part time gives you less of an opportunity to relate multiple classes together. The crypto course you took two years ago and the networking course you're taking now may have a lot in common, but if they're separated by that much, you'll miss it.

This is also the road you take if you think the BS is really only worth what it does to your resume, and I think it's so much more than that. You can really get a head start on making yourself a great developer by going to college and finishing early, rather than trying to work and get a degree on the side.

People who worry about college loans didn't get a degree in Computer Science. You know what the environment is like out there... there's always jobs, and even entry level ones pay really well.

You won't be "missing out" if you spend a few years getting your CS degree. You'll be right in line with everyone else getting a degree, and when you graduate, you'll have your work experience to make you stand out. Plus, your work experience will make college that much easier, because all the dumb stuff won't be hard, and you'll be able to concentrate on the interesting stuff.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

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Continue pursuing the degree part time until you are at a point where you can go full time. Especially look for courses that compliment what you are learning in the work place. There will be a point where you realize that continuing school part time will take another 5 years but if you enroll full time, you can graduate that year.

If you go to college, then run up the stairs as Paul Graham writes. If you take the hard courses, i.e. the ones that make you work and think, then you are better off regardless. If you enroll in classes to get grades then you are wasting your time.

College should prepare you for thinking critically and finding answers on your own once you are out in the 'real' world. The biggest issue is that you won't learn business skills that are useful, i.e. ones that help you work for yourself rather than an employer.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

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Go to college. Take science to discover something you're good at. Take humanities to discover something you may love. Take at least one art or music class. Take at least one advanced math class. Join a fraternity. Learn how to play bridge (and play all night sometime). Learn how to play foosball. Get drunk. Learn how to play foosball while drunk. Get laid. Play an intramural team sport. Get a part time job. Eat somet…

The people who don't get the spirit of this post will miss the point and focus on the trees instead of the forest.

Widen and expand your spectrum of experiences.

Learn the difference between change and change for the better.

Learn what being a real friend is so you can have others be real friends to you.

Learn value. Your own value. The value you can provide others.

Start a student group with a goal of it existing in 10 years and no one knowing who your were.

Learn that it's not what your degree makes of you, but what you make of your degree.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

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Why not work for a year somewhere and then decide if you want to get a full degree? If you decide not to go back, then after a few years of work experience, I think few companies will care that you didn't get a 4-year degree.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

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Go to college.

I came out of high school knowing exactly what I wanted to do: make video games. So that's what I did throughout college, while professors forced me to work on problems and with languages that had nothing to do with video games, including one class where I made a course-scheduling web app in Django.

I graduated and worked in the games industry for a couple of years, until I was an engineer on a multi-platform game engine working on PS3, Xbox 360, PS Vita, 3DS, PC, and iOS games.

Then I realized that what I really wanted to do was start my own company, so I started teaching myself web development on the side. I got a job at a YC company with a Django-based site and I've been here for the last 9 months, learning the ropes before I try to start my own thing.

If I hadn't been 'forced' to work on problems outside of my own interests in school, I wouldn't have been able to make the career change I did. College might not teach you everything you want to learn, but it will make you learn things you never realized you needed to know.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

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The absolute worst thing I've ever done for myself was to go to college. I had a 50% scholarship towards one of THE top electrical engineering schools in the country (not MIT, but you'd be in the right state if you were guessing), and I toughed it out for four years. Due to financial aid f&ckery, I made the choice to drop out with around half a year of credits to go to complete my BA. I had my own consulting business at the time, and I made a pretty decent run of it for about a year at which point I realized I was a MUCH better 'technology person' than 'business person'. I made the jump to full-time sysadmin for other companies at that time, and haven't looked back since. NONE of the skills I use today (either in my 'day job' as a nix sysadmin or 'real job' as a musician/bandleader) came from my college experience. I had over $100k worth of debt (slightly less now, almost 10years later) and no degree. If I had to do it all over again, I would've skipped college entirely, gone straight into the 'failed' consulting business, and taken the extra four years of earnings instead of the staggering amount of debt. I have never once felt limited due to my lack of degree. The fact that I don't have one is easily eclipsed by what I've achieved professionally, and companies have had no problem bringing me on at top dollar (according to the various sysadmin salary surveys I read) to do my thing.

I'm not saying my path is for everyone, and as always Your Mileage May Vary. However, your path seems reasonably similar to mine, and if I had a time machine I'd go back and slap my younger self around until he decided to forgo college entirely :-) In my experience, it wasn't worth it - from the 'you NEEEEEED a degree to get a good job!' perspective AND the 'crushing amounts of debt' perspective.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

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Go to college. Take science to discover something you're good at. Take humanities to discover something you may love. Take at least one art or music class. Take at least one advanced math class. Join a fraternity. Learn how to play bridge (and play all night sometime). Learn how to play foosball. Get drunk. Learn how to play foosball while drunk. Get laid. Play an intramural team sport. Get a part time job. Eat somet…

I don't think I know anyone who has done all these things. You pick and choose. There are only 24 hours in a day.

But yes, college is an expensive way to figure out what you love doing. Even if that thing that you love doing is just hitting the bong and getting laid.

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