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Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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Whatever ones views on Android's openness, this is one interesting way to defend open.

They're just trying to avoid having a single company, Microsoft, dominate the industry again.

Microsoft will never have a shot at dominating the mobile industry. What I don't understand is your willingness to support a duopoly, which is almost as bad as a monopoly.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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I might be missing the point here but what's to stop developers from building a Windows Phone application that utilizes the tile sources from google maps which uses the Google Directions API for routing purposes?

See: http://dotnetbyexample.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/google-maps-fo...

I did a similar project a couple months back on the WP7 platform and ended up using OSM + ORSM instead.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #58

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lol i call that barely working. Barely moves and the user didn't do anything but load the site.

Here's more videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfTS1f8vqAo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8vfzurnKw

In the videos the position in the map is fixed. The video only shows only two uses of pinch to zoom, but it doesn't show any example of drag to move. (I don't have a Win8 phone to try :( )

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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Maps on Opera, Ubuntu 12.10: http://i.imgur.com/KKVbj.png Maps on Opera, Nexus 4: http://i.imgur.com/0DXVz.png You were saying?

I was talking about a number of sites all over the web (including several at Google) that user agent string sniff and tell opera that it isn't supported, not maps specifically. But, speaking of maps specifically, maps.google.com in desktop Opera works fine, but clearly you didn't try using Opera Mobile, because as soon as you start dragging the map, it disappears. (at least on a galaxy nexus running jelly bean)

Another example that I encounter semi-regularly is Google Groups. It does user-agent sniffing to block Firefox with Javascript disabled. Change the ua to something random and it works fine without javascript.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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Google's decisions around Windows Phone are probably why:

(a) Ubuntu for mobile will not radically alter the mobile OS options for carriers and hardware manufacturers (despite its appeal to many hackers).

(b) Apple is suffering the pain of developing their own maps application.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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1) any kind of anticompetitive argument like that is a dangerous road to walk down. Is Google leveraging the popularity of maps.google.com to also marginalize rockmelt? Is a "install chromeframe" interstitial on IE6 some strategy beyond "we don't want to support your browser"? there is always a line, and considering how widespread UA sniffing and webkit-only prefixes are, you would need a considerably higher bar of e…

From http://www.google.com/about/company/ "Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."

Please engage with substance or just misquote "do no evil" and be done with it. If you're just providing a counterexample to "universally accessible": as I already said above, maps clearly doesn't work in Opera Mobile and it's barely useable in Firefox Mobile. It probably doesn't work on a teletype or a Speak & Spell either.

"Universally accessible" doesn't seem at odds with the fact that there's always going to be a browser support cutoff point. Google just picked a poor cutoff point in this case. It's only in light of google's commitment to cross-browser standards that this disappoints me.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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Google's decisions around Windows Phone are probably why: (a) Ubuntu for mobile will not radically alter the mobile OS options for carriers and hardware manufacturers (despite its appeal to many hackers). (b) Apple is suffering the pain of developing their own maps application.

If Google will reverse the decision once IE10 is standards compliant (touch start/end) then go Google you the people's champion.

If not, then boo Google, are you becoming the new MS?

Time will tell

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #58

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lol i call that barely working. Barely moves and the user didn't do anything but load the site.

Here's more videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfTS1f8vqAo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8vfzurnKw

If that's how it really worked, I'm starting to get the strong sense that no one on a Windows Phone ever actually used maps.google.com.

That looks completely unusable. Considering they launched the new version over a year and a half ago[1] and there was no widespread discussion (at least reaching outside of windows phone blogs) about the pain of the "interaction" those videos show, I'm not really feeling like a lot was lost here.

I would love to see a survey of Windows Phone users and how many have ever even attempted to use it. I know if I'm using a phone that can run a web browser at all, I would never even think to not use the native mapping app.

Google was wrong on the principle, but was anyone actually in the forest to be harmed? In any case, everyone should think hard before the next time you feel compelled to make a joke about testing and Opera's marketshare.

[1] http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2011/05/google-maps-on-your...

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #35

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Google gives away all their client platforms as open source (i.e. Chrome and Android), so it's hardly a power play when compared with the other options.

Neither chrome nor android are fully open source. I don't see why that matters, though.

True, Chromium and AOSP are open source. I think the point is that Google are playing both games here. They can quite happily compete with the Microsofts and Apples of the world when it comes to power plays, but they also want to see what comes from giving huge amounts of code to the developer community to play with. There are logical, long term business reasons for open-sourcing projects like Chromium, AOSP, Go, V8, WebM etc.
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