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Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in isolation. But combined with two other similar WP8/Google stories within the last week, both clearly driven by commercial issues, the case for this not being a technical issue either becomes stronger.

Or its a no one uses wp8 issue that applies to all of gooogle's portfolio. Google didn't keep maps of iPhone, even though that could have sold 10 million androids.

It's totally reasonable for Google to decide they don't want to spend the resources to support WP8 due to low usage. But here they were taking an apparently already working (even if not officially supported) site and breaking it. That's a bit less reasonable, but it could admittedly still be a technical issue.

But that clearly can't be the case for the GMail and Youtube issues. Google still continues supporting the Exchange sync protocols for business users, so there's little technical benefit in disabling it for another class of users. Likewise Google is under no obligation to make a native WP8 Youtube app -- but given they've given partners API access to Youtube in the past, clearly there's no technical reason why they couldn't also open up the API for MS to use. In either case there's no plausible way the low market share of WP8 could be the explanation.

Now, of course both of these cases could have totally benign explanations. Maybe the licensing terms of ActiveSync make it undesirable for Google to support it for free users in the future. Perhaps MS and Google can't come to a reasonable agreement about Youtube API licensing terms, and the real villain of the story is MS for trying to now score cheap publicity points with it. Or maybe Google is trying its best to smother WP8 in the cradle. And you can't ignore these other data points when looking at the motivations for these petty Maps changes.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#42
Where's the repro? What's the mechanism? Header redirect? Meta tag? JavaScript? Magic? Can this effect be replicated without a Windows Phone?

I tried setting my User-Agent to "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; ARM; Trident/6.0)" and could not repro.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#43
post #12

The Windows Phone browser does not send touchstart or touchmove events. This alone makes it damn near impossible left to implement decent maps, so the claims that its the equivalent of IE10 is incorrect. Its a pretty huge oversight by MS given that WebKit, Firefox and Opera do it just fine.

If you alter the useragent on a developer device, Google Maps doesn't redirect and works just fine.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#44

Where's the repro? What's the mechanism? Header redirect? Meta tag? JavaScript? Magic? Can this effect be replicated without a Windows Phone? I tried setting my User-Agent to "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; ARM; Trident/6.0)" and could not repro.

Try making your useragent:

"Mozilla/5.0 (compatiable, MSIE 10.0; Windows Phone 8.0; Trident/6.0; IEMobile/10.0; ARM; Touch)"

I did it in Firefox and maps.google.com redirects.

Making your useragent anything that contains "Windows Phone" makes it redirect.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#45
post #38

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Whatever ones views on Android's openness, this is one interesting way to defend open.

They're just trying to avoid having a single company, Microsoft, dominate the industry again.

The ends justify the means?

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#46
post #30

Yes, how dare Google not spend engineering resources to support a niche platform which lacks many features run by a patent troll. Truly they are worse than Hitler. For the record, the number of Microsoft products that support my platform is: 0.

What is your platform?

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #4

> Internet Explorer 10 for Windows Phone 8 uses the same rendering engine as the desktop build of Internet Explorer 10, which is certainly capable of loading and running Google Maps. This argument makes no sense. Google Maps desktop works on IE10, but Google Maps mobile is clearly a totally different site. I think people are jumping to conclusions here.

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Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#48
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or its a no one uses wp8 issue that applies to all of gooogle's portfolio. Google didn't keep maps of iPhone, even though that could have sold 10 million androids.

It's totally reasonable for Google to decide they don't want to spend the resources to support WP8 due to low usage. But here they were taking an apparently already working (even if not officially supported) site and breaking it. That's a bit less reasonable, but it could admittedly still be a technical issue. But that clearly can't be the case for the GMail and Youtube issues. Google still continues supporting the E…

If anyone has a counterexample I'd love to hear it, but so far as I know no one other than Microsoft (and, until recently, Google) offers Exchange ActiveSync to free users. In my opinion, that strongly suggests that Microsoft's licensing terms for ActiveSync make that economically unsustainable. If that's right, you would expect Google to drop free EAS support once the major benefit of better iPhone support was superseded by a native Gmail app, Windows Phone or no Windows Phone. One of the planned benefits of buying Sparrow, I suspect. That ''under $25 million" needed to be justified, after all.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#49
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite that simple. Google does at least partially own the platform and made a lot of noise about html being a better platform for being open before. Everybody else just makes a business decision what they need to support. Native, Flash, HTML, browser variations. For Google this is more of a power play, and a bit of a bait and switch as HTML was sold as being free of those power plays.

Google gives away all their client platforms as open source (i.e. Chrome and Android), so it's hardly a power play when compared with the other options.

Neither chrome nor android are fully open source. I don't see why that matters, though.
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