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It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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I've always been fascinated by "near language". Its an odd feeling as my brain recognizes the basic sounds and tries to find a foothold but fails. There was a story posted here quite a while ago about a short movie made entirely in "english-like" language. I think it featured a couple arguing. Maybe someone can help me out here? It gave me the eery feeling of being a young child again listening to adults talking arou…

I believe there was a link to it in the main article comments.

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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I've always been fascinated by "near language". Its an odd feeling as my brain recognizes the basic sounds and tries to find a foothold but fails. There was a story posted here quite a while ago about a short movie made entirely in "english-like" language. I think it featured a couple arguing. Maybe someone can help me out here? It gave me the eery feeling of being a young child again listening to adults talking arou…

I believe there was a link to it in the main article comments.

There is a link, but there isn't a video at the other end it. That was probably it.

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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As a young man, Richard Feynman was fascinated by the sounds of Italian, and faked Italian sounding gibberish, even to the point of "performing" it in front of his sister's Girl Scout troop. http://www.bookrags.com/studyguide-surely-youre-joking-mr-fe...

Even McNulty on The Wire? When I saw him later on some talk show and he was speaking and holding himself as a posh Brit (ie himself) it almost broke my brain. So, yeah, he fooled me.

McNulty really wasn't very good at covering up his accent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_3ZSeHL4g

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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"I sang it with an angry tone because the theme was important. It was an anger born out of resignation. I brought to light the fact that people don't communicate." He sang it with an angry tone because he was angry. Nothing there says that "American English sounds like anger born out of resignation to non-English speakers."

Note that immediately after that point in the article: But is that really what American English sounds like? "Yes," he says. "Exactly like that." I apologize if it's not totally clear in my original comment, but I was referring to Celentano's affirmation that American English sounds like anger born out of resignation.

Personally, I still read that as, "I sang it in an angry tone. American English sounds angry." The 'born out of resignation' part seems to be his source of the anger that he was singing with.

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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> which never fool me Really never, or do you just never notice? There was a great YouTube video here ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-cAnFbEXY0 ) - but it seems to have been removed by the user. Not sure if there's any way to find it now. It was Americans speaking gibberish, and it sounded pretty convincingly like language.

"Really never, or do you just never notice?" Indeed. Folks seem unbelievably harsh on accents they know not to be the native one, which is every time a famous actor does an accent , but all those no-names doing even not very good ones fly straight under their radar, making me highly skeptical it's not just confirmation bias. Christian Bale often keeps his American accents for interviews and press. There might be some…

I've read several places[1] that the producers and/or director of the show didn't realize that Richard Coyle (Jeff Murdoch on Coupling) wasn't Welsh until the second season of that show.

[1] http://www.tv.com/people/richard-coyle/

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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Songwriters should use this as a designer uses lorem ipsum.

Songwriters do use their version of lorem ipsum.

That said, they cannot use one and only set of lyrics (such as the above) for all songs they write, because the appropriate "lorem ipsum" for each song depends on its form (melody, rhythm, number of verses, etc).

They (well, we) use those "lorem ipsum" placeholder lyrics when they first compose the music, to mark the phrasing they want to achieve. It can be either gibberish or meaningless rhymes.

In one famous example, Paul McCartney famously wrote Yesterday's lyrics based on the placeholder: "Scrambled eggs. Oh my baby how I love your legs.".

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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Reminds me of when I was a child, didn't understand English (not my native language) yet, and heard American songs on the radio!

Perhaps Gangnam Style is more of a novelty in the English-speaking countries, where foreign pop music is uncommon, than in those countries where it is common: Italian teenagers might not care that much whether it is in Korean or English, whereas English teenagers will notice that they are dancing to a song whose lyrics they cannot possibly understand.

I am a European, and it depends on the country (and the age).

In a lot of European countries young people (up to 30+) have been taught English and they can follow an English song quite easily. Even in France, despite never admitting it in public. (This is especially true for music fans).

They might have some trouble with heavy stuff, like some lyric heavy Dylan songs or 500-wpm rap, but they can get most pop/dance songs alright.

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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A similar effect happens with CGI. Most (tech savvy) people think that they can smell CGI from a mile away, but the vast majority of CGI these days is subtle and mundane (put another helicopter in the background there; we didn't have budget to rent two), and slips right by unnoticed. It's when the CGI is something obviously impossible and also the focus of a scene that viewers actually notice.

> Most (tech savvy) people think that they can smell CGI from a mile away This is dependent on how much physics is going on in the scene, and how good the person's intuitive sense of physics is. I think a lot of that's been damaged by seeing bad CGI in films. One disturbing thing I've noticed is that before widespread CGI, animator's sense of physics seemed to be getting better as animation technique developed. Now,…

Grossly exaggerated physics in movies are nothing new though. Before CGI, explosions were still silly puffy balls of fire, and people still survived them by jumping away from them in slow motion.

And before CGI, hoaxes were still terrible, yet people bought into them. I mean, look at the Cottingley Fairies from the early 20th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies. The bar for fooling laymen just isn't that high, and never has been.

As for Hollywood blockbusters, it really varies a lot from movie to movie. Also, the Star Wars prequels are nearly 8-14 years old, so they're not the greatest examples of modern CGI.

Re: It's Gibberish, But Italian Pop Song Still Means Something

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I've always been fascinated by "near language". Its an odd feeling as my brain recognizes the basic sounds and tries to find a foothold but fails. There was a story posted here quite a while ago about a short movie made entirely in "english-like" language. I think it featured a couple arguing. Maybe someone can help me out here? It gave me the eery feeling of being a young child again listening to adults talking arou…

You're thinking of "Skwerl": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4Dfa4fOEY
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