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Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #4

> Internet Explorer 10 for Windows Phone 8 uses the same rendering engine as the desktop build of Internet Explorer 10, which is certainly capable of loading and running Google Maps. This argument makes no sense. Google Maps desktop works on IE10, but Google Maps mobile is clearly a totally different site. I think people are jumping to conclusions here.

>a totally different site.

Did you really just type that?

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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The Windows Phone browser does not send touchstart or touchmove events. This alone makes it damn near impossible left to implement decent maps, so the claims that its the equivalent of IE10 is incorrect.

Its a pretty huge oversight by MS given that WebKit, Firefox and Opera do it just fine.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#13

This argument is ridiculous. What business sense would there be for Google to restrict access to Maps on one platform in the interest of "competition"? It's not like any potential WP8 users will be swayed over to Android just because of GMaps, considering Bing Maps is a more than adequate alternative. Occam's razor: it's more than likely that they just don't want to invest the dev + support time to support WP8 (web o…

Maybe in isolation. But combined with two other similar WP8/Google stories within the last week, both clearly driven by commercial issues, the case for this not being a technical issue either becomes stronger.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #4

> Internet Explorer 10 for Windows Phone 8 uses the same rendering engine as the desktop build of Internet Explorer 10, which is certainly capable of loading and running Google Maps. This argument makes no sense. Google Maps desktop works on IE10, but Google Maps mobile is clearly a totally different site. I think people are jumping to conclusions here.

>a totally different site. Did you really just type that?

Why not? It's obviously not the same codebase as the desktop version of the site, why would you expect because the desktop version of the site supports IE10 that the mobile version of the site would as well?

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #12

The Windows Phone browser does not send touchstart or touchmove events. This alone makes it damn near impossible left to implement decent maps, so the claims that its the equivalent of IE10 is incorrect. Its a pretty huge oversight by MS given that WebKit, Firefox and Opera do it just fine.

FWIW, IE10 on WP8 started doing touch events under vendor-specific event names. (MSPointerDown, MSPointerMove and MSPointerUp).

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#16

It's not shenanigans, it's browser sniffing instead of feature detection, and Google does it on too many of its sites. What's annoying about this "controversy" is that the minuscule marketshare slice that is windows phones merits this much coverage, when this is daily life for the significantly larger (in absolute number) set of Opera users, on desktop and mobile. There's also a very real reason that Mozilla has cons…

Maps on Opera, Ubuntu 12.10: http://i.imgur.com/KKVbj.png

Maps on Opera, Nexus 4: http://i.imgur.com/0DXVz.png

You were saying?

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#17
post #9

The real problem is that it is a slap in the face for html. What does Google think it is? Is it a presentation layer standard with ideally many implementations or is it a file format for web kit?

It's just a platform they use to deliver their services to their customers - the same way that everyone else does.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

#18

This argument is ridiculous. What business sense would there be for Google to restrict access to Maps on one platform in the interest of "competition"? It's not like any potential WP8 users will be swayed over to Android just because of GMaps, considering Bing Maps is a more than adequate alternative. Occam's razor: it's more than likely that they just don't want to invest the dev + support time to support WP8 (web o…

The same that it has blocking a decent YouTube app on windows phone

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>a totally different site. Did you really just type that?

Why not? It's obviously not the same codebase as the desktop version of the site, why would you expect because the desktop version of the site supports IE10 that the mobile version of the site would as well?

The desktop version of maps.google.com does not work with mobile ie10 as well.

Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition

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post #12

The Windows Phone browser does not send touchstart or touchmove events. This alone makes it damn near impossible left to implement decent maps, so the claims that its the equivalent of IE10 is incorrect. Its a pretty huge oversight by MS given that WebKit, Firefox and Opera do it just fine.

Ugh, yes, makes all HTML/Phonegap apps horrible. They haven't fixed that yet? Does WP run IE6?
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