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Ask HN: Do I need College?

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Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

#31
I totally know what you are talking about dude, I am in the same boat.

I was going to my local community college (over 26k students) to get an AA in Business and wanted to transfer. The college (like most in California) was impacted because of the sheer amount of students so getting the necessary classes was getting harder and harder. I am not sure about other CC's but this one (one of the biggest in Orange County) had a feeling of "high school part two" type of atmosphere. There was a feeling of its ok to take as long as I want in school....because I am in school, without getting on with your real life. I talked with other friends at other colleges and they said the same thing. It seems like our peers use college as a way to have a sense of achievement while still acting like they are in high school. That's just personally not for me.

In high school i started an ebay business which led to a fine jewelry website which i ran for a couple years. Then in college I started a skin care company, flipped the inventory and made some money. I then got another idea, taught myself some programming and got accepted into dev bootcamp. I'll be attending either the Feb 18th or March 11th cohorts once I get a small loan. I then decided to drop out because I got so fed up with the college climate. My thinking is I can always go back...college isn't going anywhere.

My suggestion would also be don't worry about companies that hire based on education. Why would you want to work there if they wouldn't even talk to you without an education? I can't personally speak for the tech world, but in general you don't "need" a degree...it's a great fall back but if you know your shit why does it matter if you have a piece of paper to prove it?

Why not continue to work where you are, save some money, and start a start up or apply to an incubator? Team up with a couple of friends and get something going.

At the end of the day, no one can tell you what to do other than you. I dropped (instead of doing the part time route) because I am a firm believer in the "burn your boat" (the boat being college) methodology. You make some great decisions when you have no other back up because your current situation has to work.

You seem like a smart dude who knows where he is going. You really just need to think about what it is you want and what is right for you. It took me a few weeks of constant, gut wrenching, inner monologue talks to finally drop but the pros of dropping out weighed the cons.

Hope some of this helped. I was (and am) in the same boat. It was a hard decision, but for me once I burned my boat and realized what I wanted it was very liberating.

Best of luck

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

#33
If you're going to work for someone else, go to college for the simple fact that you'll otherwise face discrimination knowingly or unknowingly at some point. And you'll probably learn more about life than about coursework.

If you're going to take over the world, skip college and do it. You can always go back later, and it's a major investment that will follow you around. Taking a couple years to follow your dreams will probably cost much less.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

#34
Clearly you are above average in intelligence, possess initiative and are not afraid to take some risks. This is a great start to adult life.

My advice, keep doing what you are currently doing. Going to school part-time and working. If the start up goes bust, turn those skills to freelancing, and work fewer hours at a higher rate and go to school full-time.

Since you already seem to have much of the practical application of Computer Science in hand, I would suggest that you try a combination like Statistics as your Major, with a minor in Computer Science. Or, if there is a domain like Health care, or geology, or marketing that interests you. Get your BA in that discipline and pick up a minor in Computer Science. The combination of domain knowledge plus computer science plus all your practical experience should position you very well.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

#35
Caveat: my experience is from the UK (where university is usually focused on a single subject).

No, you don't need a degree to work in IT (for almost all areas). I know plenty of people who failed their degrees who are good programmers.

But, degrees are pretty good if you want to pursue a subject in some depth, or if you are interested in academia in general. You get to hang out with a lot of intelligent people of your age who are into what you're into. You get to talk to some people who are (academic) experts in their field. You get to find out a lot of things that you might never have considered that people would put thought into.

Degrees do make it easier to get a foot in the door of some of the more interesting areas of computer science (machine learning etc.).

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

#38
Work will always be there. College will not. As you get older responsibilities change and it will become harder to go back.

Think of it as an opportunity to learn how to:

-- Interact with people who have totally different interests than you

-- Find your passion outside of technology

-- Succeed (and fail)

-- Lead (projects, social clubs, fraternities, school)

-- Make friends

Life is too short.

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

#39

I totally know what you are talking about dude, I am in the same boat. I was going to my local community college (over 26k students) to get an AA in Business and wanted to transfer. The college (like most in California) was impacted because of the sheer amount of students so getting the necessary classes was getting harder and harder. I am not sure about other CC's but this one (one of the biggest in Orange County) h…

don't worry about companies that hire based on education. Why would you want to work there if they wouldn't even talk to you without an education?

It depends on what sort of company you want to work for. Any company large enough to have an HR department is probably going to look for a degree. Many will argue this is a bad policy, but IMO the HR department is not the most important part of a tech company!

Re: Ask HN: Do I need College?

#40
Fresh out of high school I wanted to develop software and petaled around the idea that only a genius could do it so I changed my major to Bio. After two semesters, I couldn't take how boring it was. Over the years in college, I found very few people who were actual developers. I met a senior level developer playing starcraft who I became really good buddies with and got a lot of insight to what it's really like to be a developer and how (for the MOST part depending on the company) little a degree actually mattered if you were going for a dev position somewhere.

My buddy knew that I was looking to get into programming and would tap at the idea from time to time. Finally, I got the balls to start playing around with javascript. Shortly after, he informed me his friend's friends were looking for someone to train (completely green to software development) to write software for their consulting company. I did the interview with them, landed the job and shortly I began to realizing how much I loved programming. When they said "train", they meant they'd buy me books and would pay me to read them.

I got to the point where I was in my Bio classes and it would drive me insane that I wasn't learning something about the software world. I began to skip classes, skip homework and eventually dropped out. (I do have my Associates in Computer Science, but not a BA). 10 months later I'm able to handle small yet fairly complex projects they throw at me and am familiar with several .NET frameworks. I've been able to familiarize myself with certain ways to Unit Test my code, I'm familiar with WCF, WPF, C#, MVVM, OOP concepts and a handful of other amazing things.

Now to make my point. Being completely new to all of this I felt I needed to go to school to get any type of job. Being surrounded by software developers who've had their own startups, consulting companies or do hiring at their company for developers, I've heard the same thing repeatedly "I don't give a shit if you have a degree or not. If you know what you're talking about I'm going to hire you. I've interviewed countless people with degrees who can't write code."

Moral of all of this. Be good at what you do. If you're going to drop out of school, you better bust your ass to learn and you'll be fine :)

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