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Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

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Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

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And yet... you can use it to visit maps.google.co.uk [0]. Stop making excuses for Google. This is ridiculous ffs. [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8vfzurnKw

Note that the video shows the user able to access the desktop version, but the article is about accessing the mobile version. Here's what the mobile UI looks like: http://i.imgur.com/oCveo.png

Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

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Bizarre. I wonder if, in 10 years, WebKit will be viewed as the next IE6 when the latest/greatest HTML rendering engine comes along? What happened to standards compliance?

WebKit is constantly moving forward, and is not stagnant like IE6 was. Many of its initially-proprietary web features have been standardized and adopted by other browser engines. The primary challenge is convincing web authors to support the standardized versions of the formerly-proprietary features alongside the browser-specific versions.

Personal bias much? I see you work on Safari at Apple.

How come it's OK for WebKit to extend the spec with non-standard features but it was not OK for IE 6? Sure, some of the features have been standardized and included in other browsers, but the same thing happened with IE! You can thank IE for the XmlHttpRequest after all.

I can literally see no difference between IE6 adding non-standard features vs. WebKit doing it. You just have personal stake in WebKit succeeding and don't want to admit it's basically the same thing.

Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

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Bizarre. I wonder if, in 10 years, WebKit will be viewed as the next IE6 when the latest/greatest HTML rendering engine comes along? What happened to standards compliance?

Honestly I think the title is just PR BS from Google. You can use WP8 browser to access maps.google.co.uk and it works perfectly fine [0] [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8vfzurnKw

That's a video of the desktop UI, not the mobile UI. Users are complaining that they can't access the mobile UI.

Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

#15
post #5

And yet... you can use it to visit maps.google.co.uk [0]. Stop making excuses for Google. This is ridiculous ffs. [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8vfzurnKw

Note that the video shows the user able to access the desktop version, but the article is about accessing the mobile version. Here's what the mobile UI looks like: http://i.imgur.com/oCveo.png

well neither works on windows phone.

Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

#16
Google is taking the bizarre position that only iOS and Android exist on mobile (and only the official browsers of those platforms).

I don't ever remember Google Maps being blocked in Konqueror or IceCat, so I'm not sure why they are using this tactic on mobile. More importantly, a lot of good-citizen webdevs work at Google like Paul Irish, must be rather awkward for those types.

Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

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On the one hand, this isn't really any different than Microsoft not supporting Office on Chromium.

On the other hand, isn't the whole point of web standards to avoid situations like this?

I suspect we'll just get confirmation of something we really already know: standards are really important only when you're not the market leader.

Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

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Bizarre. I wonder if, in 10 years, WebKit will be viewed as the next IE6 when the latest/greatest HTML rendering engine comes along? What happened to standards compliance?

The reason its not supported is not because of technological limitations. It's just anti competitive practices from Google.

I'd say its just the opposite. It's anti-competitive practices from MS. They're trying to build their own walled in hardware/software garden. It would make more sense to me if MS was blocking Google stuff, not the other way around.

They probably figure if they let Google in on some things, then they open the door to supporting all of Google's apps like gmail, chrome, calendar, google docs, etc. Which goes against them wanting people to use outlook.com, their calendar, MS office and IE as their main browser.

Re: Google Maps never supported IE on Windows Phone 8, and likely never will

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

WebKit is constantly moving forward, and is not stagnant like IE6 was. Many of its initially-proprietary web features have been standardized and adopted by other browser engines. The primary challenge is convincing web authors to support the standardized versions of the formerly-proprietary features alongside the browser-specific versions.

Personal bias much? I see you work on Safari at Apple. How come it's OK for WebKit to extend the spec with non-standard features but it was not OK for IE 6? Sure, some of the features have been standardized and included in other browsers, but the same thing happened with IE! You can thank IE for the XmlHttpRequest after all. I can literally see no difference between IE6 adding non-standard features vs. WebKit doing i…

When Firefox, Chrome, or Safari add new features, it's with an eye toward getting those features into the appropriate standard. The goal is to have as few proprietary features as possible.

Historically, IE's new features have been developed for IE and Windows only. Then when competition had been sufficiently smothered, development on IE was simply halted.

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