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Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

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Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

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I can only speak for myself, but the reason I use Meteor ( http://telesc.pe ) is because I believe that while it's not perfect right now, it has a bright future ahead of it. The Meteor devs themselves will acknowledge that some features are lacking (I imagine that's why it's not 1.0 yet), but the roadmap looks very promising and I believe Meteor also has the right team to make all this come true.

Good to have you here, telesc.pe has been an awesome showcase for Meteor.

Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

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I wanted to use Ember, and I started going down that road, but I just didn't click with it. I didn't progress past the tutorial! I can't remember what exactly I didn't get working, but I just felt very lost and overwhelmed, and that was spending a couple of days reading around online, looking at the code and examples.* I switched to Backbone and got going right away, in half a day of reading the docs and watching a c…

A lot of work has been done to make it easier to get started with Ember. You should check out the guides on emberjs.com.

Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

#53

I wanted to use Ember, and I started going down that road, but I just didn't click with it. I didn't progress past the tutorial! I can't remember what exactly I didn't get working, but I just felt very lost and overwhelmed, and that was spending a couple of days reading around online, looking at the code and examples.* I switched to Backbone and got going right away, in half a day of reading the docs and watching a c…

I actually just had this same experience this past weekend. Hours spent banging my head against the wall trying to figure out why Ember-Data wasn't working. I don't know what wasn't clicking but I decided to switch to backbone for this project. Literally minutes of work to get backbone going and have my data appear properly.

Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

#54

I wanted to use Ember, and I started going down that road, but I just didn't click with it. I didn't progress past the tutorial! I can't remember what exactly I didn't get working, but I just felt very lost and overwhelmed, and that was spending a couple of days reading around online, looking at the code and examples.* I switched to Backbone and got going right away, in half a day of reading the docs and watching a c…

"I can't remember what exactly I didn't get working, but I just felt very lost and overwhelmed, and that was spending a couple of days reading around online, looking at the code and examples."

Exactly.

I don't want to feel "lost and overwhelmed" when trying to learn some new product, or having to Google every single thing. It is a wonder anything ever gets done. Seems these things are written by someone in their ivory tower without any forethought to documentation. "Someone else wants to learn it? Not my problem! I developed it, so there! No good documentation for you." That is just lame.

Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

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I personally use knockout all the time. Can't stand backbone or angular after using knockout.

I have the same question as @hnwh: I'm using Knockout and really, really like it (more suited to my way of working than say Backbone), but considered that Angular could be a more advanced/featureful Knockout. Can you elaborate a bit? Thanks!

If you use Knockout please consider being more vocal about it. It is a fantastic mini-framework/library but doesn't have the crazy PR behind it like backbone.

Angular is great but the problem is you really need to use client side templating for it to be useful. It also has the same syntax as django's template language by default. All this is workable but Angular is great for projects that you are starting. Knockout is better to integrate with existing projects.

Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

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We use Ember + Rails at work and if we didn't start with an Ember expert contractor we'd have been sunk. Ember is definitely a winding maze of stuff and until there's a "Agile Web Development with Ember 1.0" book, it's still very difficult to just jump in from scratch. Still, once we've learned Ember we're very happy with it. Backbone is just too small to start any medium/large app, and Ember has a decent community b…

What function is the Rails component serving? Is it just a REST interface or is it also acting as a separate HTML interface?

We're working on https://github.com/rails-api to make Rails a great backend for APIs, and specifically Ember. Team is mostly Rails Core members and Ember team members.

The hope is to make it awesome for other JS frameworks too, but we mostly build Ember apps ourself, so you start with what you know...

Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

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I switched from backbone to angular about half a year ago. It was the best thing that ever happened to the project I was working on. I've rebuilt the complete interface using angular in 2 days. The original backbone version took me weeks (I learned both frameworks from the ground up while writing the interface) It was just a joy to see how databinding and promises where working hand in hand to make my life as a developer so much easier.

Re: Rant: Backbone, Angular, Meteor, Derby

#60

[meteor dev] Please come help us with this! We have six engineers at Meteor and dozens more contributors in the community working on the platform every day. The plan to 1.0, including REST, is at http://roadmap.meteor.com/ . Here's the guiding principle behind Meteor. There should be a dramatically faster, more accessible way to write applications. Improving that developer experience means rethinking some things: aut…

Meteor is one of the most exciting things I've seen recently. Will gladly help, what things you need most and how one get started? and do you accept people that like TypeScript, Java, Scala and come from the enterprise world? :)
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