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How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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This sounds awfully ... Taubesy . Problems with the Taubes' it's-all-carbs-and-insulin hypothesis: * Protein consumption causes insulin spikes too. * Insulin is not the only hormone involved in weight control system and energy system behaviour. Also involved: leptin, ghrelin, glucagon, cortisol and probably dozens of others neither of us will hear of in our entire lifetimes. * Population obesity closely tracks calori…

How about the argument that higher sugar intake causes you to be more hungry, therefore making it easier to eat less calories on a low suger (high-fat) diet. I know it's an entirely different argument from the "keto magic" argument you are ranting against, but do you object to it?

Firstly, it doesn't come up in proper trials (eg http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413101).

That's part of the general Taubes carbs-insulin hypothesis; that insulin affects satiety (the feeling of fullness, or no longer wanting to eat).

As I said above, there are more hormones involved than insulin. For example, one very influential hormone is leptin. It has a profound affect on appetite and satiety; but we still only understand it poorly.

And leptin can be affected by all sorts of factors. Sleep deprivation, even small amounts, really play merry hell with it. Next time you're running on fumes, you may notice both that a) you're starving and b) your ability to resist the temptation to eat anything is greatly diminished.

And so on. The body is more complex than the thermodynamic equation, but ultimately that is enough to control your mass. The additional details are worth introducing as and when they are necessary (and a good dietitian will do that), but not before. People are very good at giving themselves excuses and, of course, analysis paralysis allows them to forestall any real change.

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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"Eat more --> weight more" HOW much more? ( HOW much less.) Lizzie Velasquez trivially demonstrates the inadequacy of your observations.

> HOW much more? (HOW much less.) Doesn't matter. Just keep loosing / gaining until you reach the desired weight and then adjust to stabilize. It will take different time for different people and/or food combination, but in principle, you can just adjust the amounts and you'll get there.

What I mean is, there are certainly better ways and worse ways for individuals to reach the desired weight and maintain it. The idea that all you have to care about is the net deficit is pretty useless. If the deficit is all that we care about, why not just eat nothing then? Drink water and take vitamins but don't consume any calories. Because psychologically speaking, it's damn near impossible. And even if you did succeed, it'd be hard to maintain since you'd have to start eating again which would be a big change in what you were doing.

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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"Eat more --> weight more" HOW much more? ( HOW much less.) Lizzie Velasquez trivially demonstrates the inadequacy of your observations.

If I had a reliable method for producing accurate and precise numerical forecasts of the future behaviour of complex systems with a large number of unobservable variables, then I would be a multi-quintillionaire. This doesn't mean that weather forecasting, economics, agile software methodologies -- to pick just a few famous examples of subjects dealing with complex systems -- are totally broken tools that must hencef…

Nobody said to discard the method; it must be improved on. Asking people to turn themselves into a dumb, emotionless governor, removed from the situation, isn't exactly the most helpful advice. Also, as I tried to point out, your model is flawed right from the start when you say "eat more-> gain weight". The net caloric balance is only forcing when it's negative. The conversion of excess calories into fat is not a law of physics. Now those various factors you would like to ignore come into play.
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