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College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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What I think would be cool is if somehow high school could be replaced with college. Allow people to specialize earlier, and hey, if it turns out they're not interested in their specialization, at least they found out 4 years earlier.

What happens if someone spends 3 years in a specialization they picked out when they were 12 or 13 and realize they hate it? You can't reasonably expect people that age to know what they want to do for the rest of their life.

What happens if people spend 3-5 years specializing when they are 19 or 20 and they hate it? Personally, I wish I would've gone to college instead of high school. Worst case scenario I know a little bit about something I don't like and I have a better idea of what I might like.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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What I think would be cool is if somehow high school could be replaced with college. Allow people to specialize earlier, and hey, if it turns out they're not interested in their specialization, at least they found out 4 years earlier.

I disagree. Although I love working with web technology, I would be miserable if the only things I studied were computer science and business. High school introduces you to a broad range of topics, such as history and literature, that can get you interested in pursuing a liberal arts education alongside your more vocational classes in college. Hell, those liberal arts subjects could even become your vocation. I just believe that it is very important for people to have experience outside of the field they work in.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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The main reason I'm usually not a huge fan of the college-no-college discussions is because they're "big identity" discussions ( http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html ). Most readers of this site made a choice when they were kids or very near to it and the position that they defend tends to reflect the choice, well informed or otherwise, that they made then.

Good point. Did anyone do one or the other and regret it?

I regret going to college before I understood how real life really worked. I would've taken it more seriously, picked a major a bit more deliberately, etc.

If I ever had kids, I'd tell them I'd pay for a chunk of college-- if they put it off for 1-2 years after high school.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if someone spends 3 years in a specialization they picked out when they were 12 or 13 and realize they hate it? You can't reasonably expect people that age to know what they want to do for the rest of their life.

What happens if people spend 3-5 years specializing when they are 19 or 20 and they hate it? Personally, I wish I would've gone to college instead of high school. Worst case scenario I know a little bit about something I don't like and I have a better idea of what I might like.

You're more likely to be able to make a realistic decision and understand the consequences of your actions when you're 19/20 then 12/13.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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Good point. Did anyone do one or the other and regret it?

I regret my college loans... like I said elsewhere in this comment thread, if I could do it over, I'd make it as cheap as possible for myself.

I'm in the same boat - I had the choice between big-name school at $lots/year and no-name school for $free. Bad decision.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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post #8

What I think would be cool is if somehow high school could be replaced with college. Allow people to specialize earlier, and hey, if it turns out they're not interested in their specialization, at least they found out 4 years earlier.

What happens if someone spends 3 years in a specialization they picked out when they were 12 or 13 and realize they hate it? You can't reasonably expect people that age to know what they want to do for the rest of their life.

I agree but what I think should be done, and I'm speaking from personal experience (I don't know how education systems work in other places), is to allow those who gravitate towards some fields really start specializing more than average student in these fields and only give them bare basics in the rest of the fields.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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The main reason I'm usually not a huge fan of the college-no-college discussions is because they're "big identity" discussions ( http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html ). Most readers of this site made a choice when they were kids or very near to it and the position that they defend tends to reflect the choice, well informed or otherwise, that they made then.

I don't buy into the identity concept as PG pitches it. My identity is that I've got a beard and flat feet -- I could care less about those issues. My identity is that I own a Jeep and love philosophy -- feel free to rag on both of those all you want.

It's just an oversimplification and not useful in the real world.

People get defensive when you call into question their competence or judgment. Some people feel that any criticism calls into question their value. Some people (like myself) are used to it. Identity != Value. I'm lots of things. I make lots of decisions. Unless you can assault the critical part of my judgment system that makes choices you're free to say about anything.

As for college, simply separate out what you want and go do it. I think college is great for forming connections, for finding a cofounder. So if I didn't have one (or a few good candidates) I'd go in a heartbeat.

If I wanted a good liberal arts foundation, which I think is crucial to living a good life, I'd go get that. Colleges do not own the monopoly on liberal arts educations, though.

So take ownership and go do what makes sense. There is no "right" or "wrong" answer here.

I think it's a good discussion to illuminate what people's goals are. People need to think about their own personal goals instead of having other people on the internet tell them what to do. You do that best by thinking about it: hearing people argue/discuss. But if it devolves into a right vs wrong thing it _is_ a waste of time.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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Why not both? I mean seriously at school worst case scenario you spend 30 hours a week going to class/doing homework. Thats a worst case scenario where you have 22 credits + homework. Plenty of time to do a startup on the side, especially in the early stage where you have slow growth. And its not like you have to become a hermit, you have plenty of time to have a social life

While I agree that university provides plenty of opportunities to explore pursuits outside of the academy, I think that your estimate might be a bit off. I'm not sure where you go to school, but for Engineering students it is not uncommon to have over 30 hrs/wk of class/lab/tutorial time. Homework in the form of assignments, lab reports, presentations and projects can easily double that number. Then, of course, there are tests and exams that must be studied for. If one is to have any sort of social life, then there not much time left for a startup during the Fall and Winter terms. The summer on the other hand is a great opportunity.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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The main reason I'm usually not a huge fan of the college-no-college discussions is because they're "big identity" discussions ( http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html ). Most readers of this site made a choice when they were kids or very near to it and the position that they defend tends to reflect the choice, well informed or otherwise, that they made then.

Good point. Did anyone do one or the other and regret it?

I did 2 years of CS and dropped out. For the past 3 years I've been very successful, but I regret lacking deep knowledge of data structures, algorithms, and operating systems.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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What I think would be cool is if somehow high school could be replaced with college. Allow people to specialize earlier, and hey, if it turns out they're not interested in their specialization, at least they found out 4 years earlier.

At my HS, when you were a junior/senior they had a deal where you could attend classes at a tech institute for free. I spent two weeks learning about wiring offices (pull cables, etc) before I decided I'd rather go the social development route in school.

But for a lot of folks, a technical degree from one of these places could be a real leg up in finding a comfortable paying job without incurring college debt.

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