It would seem that if a sporting event is held on private property (e.g., Madison Square Garden), the TSA would need to be invited by the property owners before it could operate there.
Aren't many airports privately-owned as well?
The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
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Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The headline should read "everywhere _in the US_". Your comment should read "all public gatherings _in the US_". There is indeed something you can do about it. You can go live in a country where there is no TSA. (This has the added benefit of your productive energies no longer helping fund the TSA, as well, for incomes below about $92,000.) A dozen countries have a similar standard of living as the US, and many of th…
> "There is indeed something you can do about it. You can go live in a country where there is no TSA" In other words, give up? I find it ludicrous (and terrifying) when statements like this are made. This isn't some web-app whose terms of service you don't like, it's a nation state . People throughout history took to the streets to win freedom/voting right/etc. If no-one's left fighting back then expect to get trampl…
If a tree falls on your house and splits the roof wide open, allowing snow and rain to fall onto your bed, is it giving up to go and live in another building until the damage is repaired?
There are plenty fighting back - just not in the USA, as the window for meaningful and peaceful dissent there is now closed.
If you don't see that this is true today, I urge you to research the history of the US federal government's suppression of dissent over the last 20 years.
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#43That the TSA is expanding its scope should surprise nobody. It's what bureaucracies do. Also it wasn't named the ASA (Airport Security Administration) it was named something much less specific. Probably won't be long before they're patrolling interstate highways in stealth-black Dodge Chargers with officious logos on the sides.
I wonder what private contractors in Irak will do when their assignment there is over. IIRC there was many of them. Trained men with real OT experience, that used to be well-paid...
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "There is indeed something you can do about it. You can go live in a country where there is no TSA" In other words, give up? I find it ludicrous (and terrifying) when statements like this are made. This isn't some web-app whose terms of service you don't like, it's a nation state . People throughout history took to the streets to win freedom/voting right/etc. If no-one's left fighting back then expect to get trampl…
Agreed. And to take it a step further: the US is still a powerful force in both world politics and military might. If all the people in the US who care about these issues simply give up and leave, do you really think the remainder of the US will simply let everyone else in the world live they way they want to? We can already see the effects of this trend in how the US tries to "harmonize" copyright/patents/etc. law i…
I believe that it has to get worse in the US before it can get better, and I refuse to use violence to accomplish my goals.
Therefore, it will take several years, and will require the vast majority of the people who comprise the US's competitive advantage over other countries leaving, first, before the true change really starts.
You don't undo things like the NSA's global wiretapping efforts with a direct, frontal assault. If they cared about the fact that it is blatantly, totally illegal, they never would have begun it in the first place.
You have to attack the roots, and that's the economy, and the tax base. This will likely not be solved in my lifetime, unfortunately.
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#45How many people here are willing to get arrested? Because that's what it's going to take to reverse this trend. We need hundreds/thousands of non-violent protesters politely and professionally refusing these intrusions and getting arrested for it. Until that happens these intrusions will continue.
None, as the ionizing radiation and sexual assault at airports has clearly and unambiguously illustrated.
Your notion of vast public dissent is a fantasy.
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "There is indeed something you can do about it. You can go live in a country where there is no TSA" In other words, give up? I find it ludicrous (and terrifying) when statements like this are made. This isn't some web-app whose terms of service you don't like, it's a nation state . People throughout history took to the streets to win freedom/voting right/etc. If no-one's left fighting back then expect to get trampl…
If a tree falls on your house and splits the roof wide open, allowing snow and rain to fall onto your bed, is it giving up to go and live in another building until the damage is repaired? There are plenty fighting back - just not in the USA, as the window for meaningful and peaceful dissent there is now closed. If you don't see that this is true today, I urge you to research the history of the US federal government's…
Your analogy doesn't make any sense.
I'm glad that everybody doesn't think like you do.
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The headline should read "everywhere _in the US_". Your comment should read "all public gatherings _in the US_". There is indeed something you can do about it. You can go live in a country where there is no TSA. (This has the added benefit of your productive energies no longer helping fund the TSA, as well, for incomes below about $92,000.) A dozen countries have a similar standard of living as the US, and many of th…
> "There is indeed something you can do about it. You can go live in a country where there is no TSA" In other words, give up? I find it ludicrous (and terrifying) when statements like this are made. This isn't some web-app whose terms of service you don't like, it's a nation state . People throughout history took to the streets to win freedom/voting right/etc. If no-one's left fighting back then expect to get trampl…
> This isn't some web-app whose terms of service you don't like, it's a nation state. People throughout history took to the streets to win freedom/voting right/etc.
Historically, it was much harder and more expensive to move your entire life to another country (and maintain your social and economic ties). People were vastly better off staying put.
Today, that's simply not the case. I moved across an ocean to avoid participating in the US economy in a positive way (insofar as that is practically possible being a denizen of the Internet) for under $1500 and all while maintaining my personal and professional connections to those still resident there.
Perhaps this antique notion of "taking to the streets to win freedom" was the appropriate choice, then.
I know for a fact that today it is not only demonstrably ineffective, but also entirely unnecessary.
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a tree falls on your house and splits the roof wide open, allowing snow and rain to fall onto your bed, is it giving up to go and live in another building until the damage is repaired? There are plenty fighting back - just not in the USA, as the window for meaningful and peaceful dissent there is now closed. If you don't see that this is true today, I urge you to research the history of the US federal government's…
Your analogy doesn't make any sense. I'm glad that everybody doesn't think like you do.
I can explain it: It is not "giving up" to leave a physical location that is uninhabitable.
When you can't freely transfer money or have private electronic conversations (telephone, SMS, email, whatever) as a median citizen not under suspicion of a crime, you must leave the place in which you are, just as you would have to leave your private home if it were completely flooded or exposed to the elements.
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. And to take it a step further: the US is still a powerful force in both world politics and military might. If all the people in the US who care about these issues simply give up and leave, do you really think the remainder of the US will simply let everyone else in the world live they way they want to? We can already see the effects of this trend in how the US tries to "harmonize" copyright/patents/etc. law i…
I believe that it has to get worse in the US before it can get better, and I refuse to use violence to accomplish my goals. Therefore, it will take several years, and will require the vast majority of the people who comprise the US's competitive advantage over other countries leaving, first, before the true change really starts. You don't undo things like the NSA's global wiretapping efforts with a direct, frontal as…
Yes, I believe the best is to prove they are inefficient and a complete waste of money.
Re: The TSA wants to be everywhere in 2013 - here's why we shouldn't let it
#50The broad and vague ruling that enables the TSA to do anything they want in airports[0] can (and will) be applied to just about any public event. It's probably just a matter of a few years or so before the TSA is searching us at virtually all public gatherings. And there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. [0] http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flyingwithfish/2010/11/20/how-...
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