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How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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I've been a vegetarian since I was 18 and always was very slim, until a couple of years ago (mid thirties - actually not a strict vegetarian anymore in recent years). The vegetarian diet was of course very rich in carbs. I don't see a way to go low carb as a vegetarian.

That I was slim with a "high carbs" diet for 20 years also makes me doubt the carbs theory a bit. There seem to be other factors. I exercise less, but there were stretches of time when I didn't exercise a lot, too. My wife having a baby gave a big boost to my waistline, too. Might even have to do something with hormones (men's hormones change during pregnancy, too)?

I've also heard that changing one's diet in any way is likely to cause weight loss at first, so I'd be careful with evaluating anecdotal evidence.

I'm curious about the energy aspect, just wish there was another way. The thought of eating 4 eggs for breakfast makes me sick. I just feel repulsed by eggs and meat most of the time.

I actually have a hypothesis that human digestion might be very adaptable. Humans managed to hold on in very diverse environments, from the arctic to the desert. Presumably they had to dwell on different kinds of foods depending on the environment. So it makes sense if digestion can adapt to a huge variety of food. Might be that industrial food is a main culprit after all (lots of sugary foods that have only been around for about 100 years).

Another thing: how did people manage to eat the equivalent of four eggs for breakfast in paelo times? I've read that gathering was more effective than hunting, so presumably they had more vegetables and fruit than meat on average?

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read my longer blog post. I go over the whole matter. The tl;dr is that ketosis is not exempt from the laws of physics.

No offence but your post is overly simplistic and not in anyway convincing that your actual thesis is a complete picture of what is going on. It is undeniably true that calories in vs calories out is a driving factor, it is not however the only factor. Your article shows how you think about diet/weight, and is not really reflective of any strong scientific understanding, and, in my opinion, needlessly disregards "… i…

Care to elaborate? I can only suspect that, as usual, this will turn out to be a dispute over the boundaries of the system we're discussing (single-human-body-mass-system vs economy-society-and-single-human-body-system).

If you genuinely believe that net calorie balance isn't the sole determinant of long term average mass, then I'd like to know what else it could be. Saying "oh it must be more complex than that!" isn't such an explanation.

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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Devils Advocate Time. Technically I'm morbidly obese. I'm 6'3" and I weigh in just shy of 300lbs. This shocks most people as I don't look like someone who weighs close to 300lbs although I'm very obviously overweight. I'm working hard to lose weight purely to prevent myself from dying young so that my son has a Dad he can grow old with. In the mean time, let me dispel a myth: Fat != Lazy I have absolutely no doubt th…

Being tall makes it easy to carry a lot of fat without looking traditionally fat. I'm 6'3 as well. I got up to 139kg -- about 305lb. Losing weight has been easier than I thought it would be. The trick was alighting on an eating pattern that I can sustain indefinitely.

For some folk (like OP) that's paleo. For others, keto. Some people swear by portion control -- I am not one of them!

If I could take one thing back, it would be my cheapshot at overweight people in my weight-control blog post-slash-rant last year (linked elsewhere in the thread). I've left it in, but ... it was mean.

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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post #11

I've been a vegetarian since I was 18 and always was very slim, until a couple of years ago (mid thirties - actually not a strict vegetarian anymore in recent years). The vegetarian diet was of course very rich in carbs. I don't see a way to go low carb as a vegetarian. That I was slim with a "high carbs" diet for 20 years also makes me doubt the carbs theory a bit. There seem to be other factors. I exercise less, bu…

How can you be a non-strict vegetarian?

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post #14
post #11

I've been a vegetarian since I was 18 and always was very slim, until a couple of years ago (mid thirties - actually not a strict vegetarian anymore in recent years). The vegetarian diet was of course very rich in carbs. I don't see a way to go low carb as a vegetarian. That I was slim with a "high carbs" diet for 20 years also makes me doubt the carbs theory a bit. There seem to be other factors. I exercise less, bu…

How can you be a non-strict vegetarian?

By slipping now and then. I'm not really a vegetarian anymore - happy now? I've actually gained weight since not being a vegetarian anymore, but I think that is a coincidence. I very rarely eat meat (once every two weeks or less). So I am a vegetarian for stretches of several weeks at a time.

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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> After the first week, which is always the hardest, I'd lost 10 pounds. Dropping carbohydrates from the diet causes a drop in retained water. For instance, some energy is stored in the muscles as glycogen, which binds with water on an approximately 1-to-3 basis. Each gram of glycogen binds ~3g of water; so when you cut carb intake and begin to break down stored glycogen, you unsurprisingly lose weight quickly. Paleo…

Read The Hacker's Diet a while ago, and it seemed reasonable to my old control-systems training. What's the current sort of counter-argument to the abstraction presented there?

The Hacker's Diet hinges on: ((calories in) - (calories out)) / 3500 = (l lb of weight loss)

The Hacker's Diet holds as an axiom that calories from fat, carbohydrate and protein are equivalent in this formula. This assumption neglects the powerful influence of the hormone insulin, which plays a key role in regulating fat metabolism. Insulin release is very highly correlated with carbohydrate consumption, and a diet that restricts carbohydrate will often lead to weight loss.

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a dietician by any stretch, but this 'net calorie' business seems really unlikely to me. Cars have different gas mileage; i doubt I am shitting out 0 calories, etc. Ketosis is a real thing and people do shed a shit ton of weight getting into that state; all of these things basically invalidate 'long term deficit' as the sole coeffecient into what is likely an incredibly complex equation only barely understoo…

Read my longer blog post. I go over the whole matter. The tl;dr is that ketosis is not exempt from the laws of physics.

While admittedly I haven't taken the time to read your entire blog post, I'm throwing this link out there for your perusal:

http://thatpaleoguy.com/2012/12/19/calorie-rants-and-ketosis...

Quite simply, you have to consider how a calorie takes the path to becoming a calorie in our system, imo.

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read The Hacker's Diet a while ago, and it seemed reasonable to my old control-systems training. What's the current sort of counter-argument to the abstraction presented there?

The Hacker's Diet hinges on: ((calories in) - (calories out)) / 3500 = (l lb of weight loss) The Hacker's Diet holds as an axiom that calories from fat, carbohydrate and protein are equivalent in this formula. This assumption neglects the powerful influence of the hormone insulin, which plays a key role in regulating fat metabolism. Insulin release is very highly correlated with carbohydrate consumption, and a diet t…

This sounds awfully ... Taubesy.

Problems with the Taubes' it's-all-carbs-and-insulin hypothesis:

* Protein consumption causes insulin spikes too.

* Insulin is not the only hormone involved in weight control system and energy system behaviour. Also involved: leptin, ghrelin, glucagon, cortisol and probably dozens of others neither of us will hear of in our entire lifetimes.

* Population obesity closely tracks calories-per-capita, apparently regardless of macronutrient breakdown (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/calories-st...).

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read The Hacker's Diet a while ago, and it seemed reasonable to my old control-systems training. What's the current sort of counter-argument to the abstraction presented there?

The Hacker's Diet hinges on: ((calories in) - (calories out)) / 3500 = (l lb of weight loss) The Hacker's Diet holds as an axiom that calories from fat, carbohydrate and protein are equivalent in this formula. This assumption neglects the powerful influence of the hormone insulin, which plays a key role in regulating fat metabolism. Insulin release is very highly correlated with carbohydrate consumption, and a diet t…

>a diet that restricts food intake will always lead to weight loss.

ftfy

Re: How To Lose Weight And Influence People

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Honestly, any form of elimination diet (don't eat x, for any x) works, in direct proportion to how many of your calories typically come from that x.

It's not what you eat, in that regard. Pick anything you eat a lot of, and stop eating it. You'll have a hard time matching that missing intake with other foods, and so you'll eat fewer calories, and so you'll lose weight.

If your diet has a name, it's a fad.

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