Silicon Valley is wrong about college • Hacker News Board

Re: Silicon Valley is wrong about college

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Post by davewiner » Mon, Dec 31, 2012, 1:52 PM UTC

pg wrote: post #25

"Nowadays Silicon Valley says that college education is a waste." This is false. I know a lot of people in Silicon Valley, and I know no one who says that. Even Peter Thiel, who is arguably the iconic college skeptic, only says that college might not be optimal for everyone.

Paul, I gave this some thought, and we need to say what Silicon Valley is. So I gave it a shot.

http://threads2.scripting.com/2012/december/whatIsSiliconVal...

Bottom line -- it's not you or Peter Thiel. It's an industry. Much larger than any one or two people.

Re: Silicon Valley is wrong about college

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Post by eli_gottlieb » Mon, Dec 31, 2012, 7:05 PM UTC

biesnecker wrote: post #5

japhyr wrote: post #3

The college experience is still pretty worthwhile, but the consequences of taking out loans in order to attend college are gettin uglier. My wife and I are both working in service fields - I am a teacher, and she is a counselor. We are both good at what we do. But we are at our income ceilings. We are paying as much in student loan payments as we are in housing costs. some of my colleagues will be in debt for the res…

"Going to college is not the same straightforward decision it used to be." Honestly, (and you've basically said this), taking out significant loans to go to college is not the same straightforward decision it used to be. I understand that for some people it's simply not possible to go to college without taking on debt. I don't think this is the case for the vast majority of people. If someone would have made 18 year…

I understand that for some people it's simply not possible to go to college without taking on debt. I don't think this is the case for the vast majority of people.

Then why do 2/3 of all college students graduate with debt? Why have the largest tuition rises, by percentage, been seen in newly-defunded state universities?

Re: Silicon Valley is wrong about college

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Post by AZDave » Tue, Jan 01, 2013, 8:59 PM UTC

So, if I pay into Social Security and expect to see something when I retire, but am opposed to government control of, say education, or the postal service, I'm an ignorant hypocrite?

I guess Dave missed the lessons in college on informal logic because he would have learned about strawman arguments and the part to whole fallacy.