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This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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I really liked the clause about no porn. If this mom wants to run her family with Victorian-era iron fist then by all means but trying to stop a 13 year old boy from getting access to porn in 2013 is laughable.

In the USA, it's illegal for a porn site to show him porn until he's 18 anyway.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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post #17
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No porn." Thanks mom! I'm mortified for the kid.

Porn never came up in a conversation with your parents? I don't mean on a regular basis but... even once?

Not really. My parents knew that regardless of any rules or restrictions they would place on me, I'd find a way around them and watch porn anyway. So the subject was never brought up.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No porn." Thanks mom! I'm mortified for the kid.

If it was in the UK it'd never happen anyway, unless the kid buys fake ID and sends the info to the network to enable adult content. "You must not use this phone to falsely identify yourself as an 18 year old."

Depends what network you are on. I'm on 3 and you have to opt in to the filter, it is not enabled by default on contracts.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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I think this is terrific. I was 14 when I joined Facebook, in 2008. My dad, who is no dummy, laid out a series of rules for my Facebook use (he had been on the site for a year or so already). One of those conditions was that he had my password and could look at my behavior on the site at any time. Occasionally I'd post something that he thought was inappropriate, and we'd talk about it, and I'd get embarrassed. But i…

I think, at least from the sounds of it, the nature of the rules your dad set for your Facebook use might be a tad different than the ones this woman set for her kid's iPhone use. It is not so much that she is setting rules, but rather projecting her own values and pet peeves on the child. I mean, look at this:

Don’t take a zillion pictures and videos. There is no need to document everything. Live your experiences. They will be stored in your memory for eternity.

What a crock of horseshit. Yes, I hate it as much as anyone when Miss Lisa Gorgeous posts on Facebook a photo of the ice cream she is eating just to get 'Likes', but I'm not going to demand that my kid refrain from that. It may be a bit stupid, but it is ultimately harmless. Not only that, but she is patently wrong that the child's experiences will be "stored in her memory for eternity." We are not computers. We forget stuff. And documenting the things we do is the most reliable way to relive them.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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post #12
post #2

I think this is terrific. I was 14 when I joined Facebook, in 2008. My dad, who is no dummy, laid out a series of rules for my Facebook use (he had been on the site for a year or so already). One of those conditions was that he had my password and could look at my behavior on the site at any time. Occasionally I'd post something that he thought was inappropriate, and we'd talk about it, and I'd get embarrassed. But i…

I learned a different way. My parents were neither super open nor super repressive. Instead, I had a good system where my cousins would guide me by sitting down with me and talking through whatever was going on at the time. It taught me the right ways to behave but more importantly, I reached these conclusions through my own reasoning with guidance when I felt I needed it. These rules are pretty silly and disrespectf…

Which is pretty justified, in my experience. There's a reason 13-year-olds are called "minors"; most of them are not yet mature enough to make good decisions on their own, so guidance is necessary.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but the mother certainly knows her child better than you or I do.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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post #18
post #3

This seems a little harsh to me. Everyone takes their phones to school. Everyone sends texts at school. The ship has sailed. If you're the one without the phone, you're the weirdo that nobody will talk to. This mom should have gotten her son a leash instead. Then at least the power play would have been obvious to everyone.

Or you'll be the one going the library (if there is still one around), concentrate on interesting thing to learn or do instead of re-sharing the video that all the child are sharing. Sometime you'll lack social tools like a mobile phone but you might learn and discover interest that might change your life afterward[1]. [1] I know you can discover stuff on your mobile phone but it's probable that you will just discove…

Oh noes, "mainstream culture", how evil.

Anyway, phones are just a tool. People that want to do something other than read Facebook all day will do something other than read Facebook all day.

I had an unrestricted Internet connection when I was a kid. I used it to learn C++, Java, and Scheme. I also had a phone in high school (when I lived in Tokyo, it wasn't "a thing" in the US yet) and I never saw anyone excessively distracted by their phones.

My younger brother recently graduated from high school in an era where everyone had a phone. He still did homework and had interests outside of Facebook. So I think you're worrying about a problem that's not actually a problem.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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This is not the way to teach a kid responsibility, with a list of seemingly (to a 13 year old) arbitrary and draconian set of rules. Let the kid save up his own money, buy the phone in person, and be responsible for it. That's exactly how it works in the adult world and fits perfectly in this situation, seems like a fitting way to teach responsibility. This mom just seems like a self-aggrandizing control freak.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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post #14
post #3

This seems a little harsh to me. Everyone takes their phones to school. Everyone sends texts at school. The ship has sailed. If you're the one without the phone, you're the weirdo that nobody will talk to. This mom should have gotten her son a leash instead. Then at least the power play would have been obvious to everyone.

"Everyone" also more or less blindly accepts the gradual stripping away of their liberty, the irresponsible destruction of the environment, and the nutritional content of fast food. Oddly enough it takes people unwilling to accept the status quo for anything to change. Imagine that.

The things you list there are obviously bad (assuming that by the last you refer to overconsumption of it), but I don't think it is equally obvious that teenagers having cellphones at school is a bad thing just because it's a recent development.

Re: This mom gave her son an 18-point contract with his iPhone

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I want to admit up front that I am not a parent, nor am I a teenager -- I'm just a twenty-something caught between the two age groups. When I wanted something when I was young, my parents treated me somewhat like an adult -- if I wanted something, I had to either save up money for it, or ask for it on special occasions (birthday, Christmas, etc). If I owned it, they also respected my ownership/privacy over it. Becaus…

ENCRYPT ALL TEH THINGS!

This brings an interesting topic on whether parents have the right to intrude on devices linked to personal information about "their" child. Unfortunately, as another twenty-something in-between these age groups, I must admit that it feels like a solid NO. The right to both physical/virtual privacy is key when influencing a child's moral standing with society, and human rights/ethics. If this child grows up with the right to privacy striped from beneath him/her then, what makes them not do the same to others...

Its the end of the world as we know it...

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