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Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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Can some people talk about example secret groups? I quit using facebook/never had the friends to discover these.

Baby photos. It's a fair assumption that 90% of my friends are not interested in seeing one every single day. For those 10% that do (and for grandparents on either end) we've set up a secret group where it's anywhere from 1 to a few dozen photos daily.

It's not really secret in the sense that we try to keep extremely high levels of privacy on it, anybody can ask to join.

Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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I discovered groups quite recently, and colour me surprised at the kind of stuff that goes in on some of them. I joined this local car club group, and there's literally hundreds of people every day posting up pictures of their cars asking for... swaps. SWAPS?! This happens in the real world?! On more investigation there's local groups like "Under $50"... to "Under $1000" - and my gods, they're soooo suspect. I can un…

I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you said, but you piqued my interest. What do you mean by "suspect"? What are swaps? What is under $50? What kind of content do they have?

I think the implication was that a large degree of the products available were stolen and Facebook was being used as a method of finding buyers without leaving a paper trail.

Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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I am in several regular groups and one secret group. The regular groups I am in - one is a local group, one is a memorial group for someone who died young, one was started by a friend for his hobby. The secret group has a lock on its tab and says "Secret Group - Only members see the group, who's in it, and what members post". No one who I am friends with knows I'm in the group aside from people in the group. Not sure…

Imagine if you are using your FB and you have other people around you peeking at your PC screen. Now this secret FB group is not really secret, is it? There is actually no technical way possible for having a truly secret group.

This is like saying you can't have a secure bank account online because people can just look over at your screen while you do it.

Just don't go on when people are around.

Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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Because Fb encourages behavior that gets "likes" and you dont have a "dislike" button to compensate. Let me explain: there is a class of behaviors that get quite a lot of "likes" but would also get even more "dislikes" if there was a "dislike" button. But these behaviors don't get negative feedback on Fb, but instead they get encouraged, even if less than others (and "less positive feedback" is not the same as "negat…

If you read through Facebook's guidelines for developers, there is a subtle but consistent undertone: don't do anything that makes people feel uncomfortable. Basically, they want Facebook to be a completely positive experience which strokes your ego to boost. No dislikes, no exposure to people you don't like. It's designed to be the ideal filter bubble.

Great point and I think this is my biggest problem with Facebook actually. Now that most of my peers are doing fairly well, no one seems interested in anything but complete, feel good narcissism.

Important issues in the world? I don't want to think about that because it will make me sad.

Oh look my friend is drinking on the beach? LIKE.

The best part is how predictable it is. I definitely refrain from posting "important" things if I know people would react poorly because they aren't just straight feel good garbage, whereas today I'm in Hawaii and posted a pic of the beach and it got a ton of likes. It makes me feel like people become accepting (read: ignorant) of sad stuff in the interest of liking every pretty, fun, positive thing they see.

Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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Could I ask a simple question, not because I want to mock people or anything, but because I've been experiencing a similar phenomenon lately. Why does facebook make you hate people you know? I do generally find that most people I'm not actively great friends with at the moment tend to annoy the shit out of me with either bragging, illogical nonsense about things like politics, or just passive-aggressive teenager post…

In my case the personal answer is that there is simply nothing productive, at all, about using Facebook. It is indeed a total waste of time - for everyone. I've yet to see anyone actually get any work done while facebook.com is up on the screen. Perhaps some small businesses use it to communicate with their customers - I don't know, because I personally cannot ever associate Facebook with "service I want to use". Facebook is a service I _have_ to use, only because my friends and associates don't know how to use email properly. Sad but true fact: everything I get from Facebook, I also get from my Email system - its just that, well, some people just cannot learn to use Email effectively, but certainly logging onto Facebook and dynamically updating the web page in front of them, for some reason, is 'easier'.

Personally I think Facebook - and similar services - are a manifestation of Mob Think, and little else. Its an 'associative' function, building associations. Unfortunately, association is not the only form of reason - differentiation, identification too - and where these "beams get crossed" is where Facebook tries to sit.

If Facebook died, all I would have to do is send an email to the important folks in my life informing them "Please use email. This is the cc:, this is what its for. This is the bcc:, this is what its for. Here is how to add an X-header in case there is something special we need. Also, GPG." Probably it would cost me a week of question-answering, but I'd sure love to be rid of Facebook forever, personally.

People are noisy, especially when they 'think' that folks are listening. Facebook is a proxy for friends who don't normally pay as much attention as we'd all like, and the sad fact of the matter is that most of us don't ever get as much attention as we need from our social sphere ..

Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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Could I ask a simple question, not because I want to mock people or anything, but because I've been experiencing a similar phenomenon lately. Why does facebook make you hate people you know? I do generally find that most people I'm not actively great friends with at the moment tend to annoy the shit out of me with either bragging, illogical nonsense about things like politics, or just passive-aggressive teenager post…

In my case the personal answer is that there is simply nothing productive, at all, about using Facebook. It is indeed a total waste of time - for everyone. I've yet to see anyone actually get any work done while facebook.com is up on the screen. Perhaps some small businesses use it to communicate with their customers - I don't know, because I personally cannot ever associate Facebook with "service I want to use". Fac…

Facebook had to overcome a pretty steep disadvantage to beet e-mail. The main difference I see is that in e-mail, everything you see (in theory) needs your attention, whereas in facebook, nothing you see needs you attention, but everything is avalable when you want to give your attention. Unlike e-mail, people can join the conversation without an explicit invitation.

Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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Could I ask a simple question, not because I want to mock people or anything, but because I've been experiencing a similar phenomenon lately. Why does facebook make you hate people you know? I do generally find that most people I'm not actively great friends with at the moment tend to annoy the shit out of me with either bragging, illogical nonsense about things like politics, or just passive-aggressive teenager post…

>Why does facebook make you hate people you know?

When you go to a party or social gathering, you expect that you will need to behave in a social way. Because you expect it, you are not harmed by this in any way and you open your arms and ideas to those around you.

Facebook hits you in the face every second with every flaw of a person. You see a father torn down by his daughter. You see a friend cheating or being too flirty with a married so-and-so... etc.

The party is temporary. Facebook lingers. "Fish and house guests stink after three days," and on Facebook everyone is always hanging around. They never leave!

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G+ totally allows pseudo names. But that's not really a game changer. Whether you are at FB or G+, if you are using pseudo name to protect your identity, than you are rendering yourself useless because you can't be hiding and expect to be networking authentically with the people you know for real. What would make sense for FB/G+ to provide is the ability to have each person choose his/her self-identity based on diffe…

Are you trying to make these identities to be firewalled from each other? i.e., do you not want your family to know that you go by "Master Dan" in certain BDSM communities? Or for someone who is transgener, but isn't yet ready to let a set of friends/family/coworkers know yet by the choice of a differently-gendered name? It turns out this is extraordinarily difficult, and if users think they can maintain this separat…

But isn't this how people live their life in the offline world?

Re: Facebook’s dark matter: “secret” groups

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This is very true, as I've observed with a small community of programmers I founded.

I created a FB page called "I Live Prograaming" and played with FB ads, which gave the page about 1000 likes in a short doace if time, a few years ago and the old format for pages worked quite well for a community, which timeline destroyed. We (three others were helping me at this point) discovered that groups are actually exactly what we needed.

We started creating groups and each turned into fairly active communities, seeded from our growing page. We found the demography of our groups matched that of our page, which seems obvious but found it interesting.

We have many that are secret with hundreds of members - past a certain member count you are unable to change this setting with your member's privacy as the reason against , which makes a lot of sense.

Our format is fairly simple: I Love X, where X is anything technical, which began with I Love Programming.

Some groups hold over 200 members each and there are groups for most common programming languages and platforms (I Love C is fairly popular).

I'm not trying to plug though, I've refrained from linking, but more to show a full picture of what the article refers to.

Facebook, for me, had been a great way to build a community based around my passions.

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