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macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by thiht »

cromka wrote: post #11
mikae1 wrote: post #4

When was the last time you felt excitement for a macOS release? Me? Snow Leopard. When I transitioned to Linux I rediscovered OS excitement. I'm on KDE Plasma now and every update has exciting features that serves my interests.

If only KDE actually paid attention to UX and maybe cared about the looks and consistency a bit more. I'm sorry for being blunt but their visual design people's have no taste...

Agree, KDE seems to have all the right features but every time I give it a try it all feels weird, inconsistent, and dated in ways that are kinda deal breaking if you care at all about esthetics. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that no professional designers contribute to KDE applications.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by nirava »

robotresearcher wrote: post #143
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and a pound of sugar cost 8oz of gold a few thousand years ago, so inflation isn't real and food insecurity is a myth. If you want a fair comparison you should look at the price of storage at the capacity required for typical contemporaneous workloads. Don't quote numbers in the billions when that amount of storage didn't exist on the entire planet at the time.

No one claimed those things you’re arguing against. The claim is simply that storage has never been more expensive. A Macintosh 128K with a FLOPPY DRIVE cost $7,500 in inflation adjusted dollars. Can we please take a view of today that’s in a context of more than a few years? It would really help perspective sometimes.

this is pointless pedantry. there's an implicit "functionally equivalent, for modern (apple) devices" bit.

> It would really help perspective sometimes

It objectively and absolutely doesn't help this discussion at all. Even if taken as hyperbole, the frustration with Apple charging $200 for 256 added gigs, and filling up ~20gigs of it without consent or requirement, is unaffected by floppy prices in the 80s.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by nirava »

levl289 wrote: post #12

> I’m not a particularly big fan of generative AI. I do not use and have never used it at any stage of the research, outlining, or writing process for any article I’ve ever written, except for the times when I’m testing it so I can write about it. This is wild from a "tech" site. I used to read their articles fairly religiously, but this bent by their writers and commenters is really telling, and a signal to start lo…

This is a completely reasonable take from a normal human being. YK some people become journalists because they enjoy the act of research, writing and investigating. And in all honesty, LLMs are still INCREDIBLY bad at communication. They get stuff done, sure, but god, for something named "large language model" all their attempts at human style communication makes me want to turn off the computer for good.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by elAhmo »

bayindirh wrote: post #105
nozzlegear wrote: post #89

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Like what?

From top of my head: File renaming. What Forklift or other dedicated file renamer comes as a standard with both Dolphin and KRename. Latter can drive circles around what's available in macOS, in any form. AudioCD ripping: kio:// protocol has a native ripper. Just drag and drop. Settings are integrated to system settings directly. Which format do you want? Yes. Remote connections: While finder can connect to servers,…

Interesting list. I think you are very detached from what a normal user of computers/laptops today need. If you think features such as AudioCD ripping are in the top 100 features someone might ask from an OS today. Last time I saw someone using a CD was probably more than 10 years ago.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by bayindirh »

elAhmo wrote: post #154
bayindirh wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From top of my head: File renaming. What Forklift or other dedicated file renamer comes as a standard with both Dolphin and KRename. Latter can drive circles around what's available in macOS, in any form. AudioCD ripping: kio:// protocol has a native ripper. Just drag and drop. Settings are integrated to system settings directly. Which format do you want? Yes. Remote connections: While finder can connect to servers,…

Interesting list. I think you are very detached from what a normal user of computers/laptops today need. If you think features such as AudioCD ripping are in the top 100 features someone might ask from an OS today. Last time I saw someone using a CD was probably more than 10 years ago.

I don't think I'm detached from what a normal user uses, because I don't expect that list to be representative of anyone but me.

For a regular user, macOS can be very practical and non-obtrusive OS, yet for me, it's not as useful as a Linux system with KDE installed.

Currently I'm writing this comment from my KDE system, and I see more clearly why I prefer to use it much more. Because it allows me to have much more screen real estate with much faster multi-desktop management capabilities to begin with. However, my point still stands. In short, KDE provides the features I use daily (esp. in the file management department) in a much more capable and integrated manner than macOS out of the box. I have to think about which tools I need to get to handle something on macOS, and on KDE, the tools are always integrated to the tool I already holding. My work just flows on KDE, yet on macOS I need to setup something before being able to flow.

Ripping audio CDs without even thinking is a bonus.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by cromka »

armadyl wrote: post #110
cromka wrote: post #11

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If only KDE actually paid attention to UX and maybe cared about the looks and consistency a bit more. I'm sorry for being blunt but their visual design people's have no taste...

Seriously KDE is so extremely ugly and dated looking compared to macOS, GNOME and even modern Windows. I don’t care about the 30 million configurable options if it looks like a total eyesore. You’d think they’d put some effort into a consistent style / UI framework. People hate on GNOME for its rigidity but it’s the one desktop actually trying somewhat to provide Linux with an environment that the average person (not…

Absolutely agree. Moving from MacOS, sticking with Gnome was no brainier, even though I do use KDE software as well.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by cromka »

unethical_ban wrote: post #114
cromka wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only KDE actually paid attention to UX and maybe cared about the looks and consistency a bit more. I'm sorry for being blunt but their visual design people's have no taste...

Since February I've been running CachyOS or Fedora (multiple machines) 100% at home. I only have a Windows partition on the desktop for a single game. Gaming "just works" on Linux with one AAA exception that needs a tweak to its Steam Proton settings. The UI to me is as polished and functional as MacOS and Windows - besides a few minor things like taskbar shadows or rounded edges, a non-techie wouldn't notice the dif…

KDE UI as polished as macOS? :O I am no Apple apologist but this is plain heresy.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by Steltek »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #51
ekun wrote: post #37

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A functioning window system would drastically enhance OSX productivity.

Window management (and indeed, desktop environments in general) are rather subjective I think. As someone who's been using Macs in some capacity since 1996 I'd be upset if macOS suddenly resembled a traditional Windows desktop or tiling WM thing, and the absence of Mac-like desktops on Linux (no, GNOME and elementary/Pantheon are not that) is one of the primary factors keeping me from switching.

I find window management in macOS to be fundamentally broken. I heavily organize using workspaces and I don't understand why it does the things it does. Windows are opened on workspaces that aren't active and where those windows have never been present before. Changing workspaces on one monitor and activating a window will cause a different monitor's workspace to change (because that app had a window there). Sometimes newly opened windows appear with ~5 pixels visible on the screen (versus where that window was previously).

It feels haunted or possessed by demons. Like it's a middle school bully trying be as frustrating as humanly possible.

Re: macOS 27 Golden Gate – Review

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Post by wink »

mikae1 wrote: post #4

When was the last time you felt excitement for a macOS release? Me? Snow Leopard. When I transitioned to Linux I rediscovered OS excitement. I'm on KDE Plasma now and every update has exciting features that serves my interests.

I've had this (first) work mac for 2 years and the upside is that every new version is usually only slightly worse than a new Windows version, which is generally a big step down.

For Linux I've been kinda indifferent for 15 years. Maybe it's me.

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