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Australia says it could follow Canada in forging deeper ties with EU

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Re: Australia says it could follow Canada in forging deeper ties with EU

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Post by johneth »

notatoad wrote: post #97
spiralpolitik wrote: post #43

I'm guessing Canada and Australia would go for an EFTA 'lite' type deal. As EFTA doesn't require a customs union it's probably the easiest to implement and build up from. I think they amended EFTA to require free movement which was a no-op as all the EFTA countries had free movement with the EU. I could see the EU agreeing to a NAFTA style workers visa if they really wanted push the freedom of movement side hence the…

canada already has CETA for EU trade and CEFTA for trade with the EFTA. it seems like "associate membership" must mean something that goes beyond just a free trade agreement, because that already exists.

And not all EU members have ratified CETA either, so I'm not sure why everyone's getting their hopes up about "associate membership", whatever that is (it's not defined in the EU treaties). They can't even fully ratify a trade deal after almost a decade.

Re: Australia says it could follow Canada in forging deeper ties with EU

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Post by coderenegade »

nl wrote: post #200
coderenegade wrote: post #108

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Not really. Australia is very lax when it comes to bringing in dependents, who outnumber skilled migrants themselves. We also have an oversupply of technically skilled people, with nothing for them to work on, because we got rid of all of our industry. High energy prices and wages means that you'll struggle to get anything that isn't finance, gambling, or real estate related off the ground. I guess defense is the oth…

> There are currently 3 million temporary visa holders in the country, It's pretty important to realise that this includes student visas (600K - and education is a major earner for Australia) and graduate visas (200K) and 700K New Zealanders (who have their own special temporary class). There are also 250K working holiday visas (ie backpackers).

Yes, the largest chunk is students. In fact, ~6% of all international students in the world attend Australian universities, making it the largest per-capita destination for international students by a significant margin. They still require housing, and they still have working rights. Fake students coming over to work without ever attending a class is a well-known rort.

The single biggest justification for our high migration setting (among the highest in the OECD) is ostensibly for skills we need to keep the economy afloat. I've yet to see a skills shortage closed by migration. And of course, skilled migrants are one of the smaller cohorts in our net intake -- we actually bring in more dependents than we do skilled workers.

Re: Australia says it could follow Canada in forging deeper ties with EU

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Post by sincarne »

a34729t wrote: post #86
carefree-bob wrote: post #36

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Apart from the "Crocodile Dundee" and "Men at Work" phenomena in the late 80s, there is no real cultural pollination between Australia and the US, as far as I can tell. It's too far away and there are no real reasons for Americans to visit, nor are there enough internationally notable Australian music brands, films, or products that give visibility to the country, which is one price of being a commodity producing nat…

Re autos, IIRC Holden shut down in the late 2000s. But the Australian economy (and Canadian, for that matter) is just houses and holes.

Canada’s tech, finance, agriculture, and energy industries would like a word.

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Post by apercu »

sbseitz wrote: post #116
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #28

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From the American side it felt like we had more cross-pollination with Australia in the 90s than in the decades following. Disney even had a studio out there that animated some of the TV shows it aired in the US (and presumably in Australia too). Not sure what changed.

Trump.

Also the GOP. They stopped being "conservative" a long time ago and became performative terrorists.

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Post by jamincan »

hn_submit wrote: post #189
rsynnott wrote: post #181

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The trouble is, Pandora's box has been opened. It turns out that the president of the US can act like a crazy post-Soviet-style dictator, and that the mechanisms which are supposed to prevent that are simply not fit for purpose. Even if in 2028 the US elects the most sensible, rule-of-law-oriented president imaginable, allies will still have to look to 2032. Fixing the problem would require constitutional change, whi…

The powers granted to the U.S. President are meant to be used in times of war or situations that threatens the security of the United States. Trump is using it nilly-willy for just about everything. It will, however, be difficult to come up with a law that would put a stop to this without harming the Executive Branch's effectiveness in a time of need. But so far I'm pretty satisfied how Congress and the judiciary are…

I don't know why you think Congress would step in. Perhaps if they had Democratic majorities in both houses, but so far they have been pretty steadfast in refusing to curtail any of his moves so far.

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Post by jojobas »

rsynnott wrote: post #180
jojobas wrote: post #47

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Per capita GDP is falling with every new migrant. I don't think it's the kind of GDP growth anyone wants to have.

For skilled immigration, this is highly unlikely to be the case.

While some are indeed highly skilled and earn well, many are skilled only on paper and end up driving Ubers. Also in the recent past many of the skilled migrants were for low-paid occupations like chefs.

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Post by triceratops »

carefree-bob wrote: post #81
triceratops wrote: post #37

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> at least part of the Russian war bill was footed by the money India paid for Russian oil It's weird India gets held to this standard. Don't European countries still buy some natural gas from Russia?

Russian natgas is laundered through third parties, whereas India is laundering Russian oil. Not saying I support any of these sanctions or tariffs, but India is making bank selling Russian oil to Europe right now, so there is going to be some political blowback. Malaysia also.

> India is making bank selling Russian oil to Europe

So...Europe is buying Russian oil and gas? Bit counterproductive, no?

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Post by [deleted] »

jojobas wrote: post #206
rsynnott wrote: post #180

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For skilled immigration, this is highly unlikely to be the case.

While some are indeed highly skilled and earn well, many are skilled only on paper and end up driving Ubers. Also in the recent past many of the skilled migrants were for low-paid occupations like chefs.

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Post by dofm »

edgyquant wrote: post #122
dofm wrote: post #115

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FYI I don’t think anyone is accepting American critique on government control and censorship right now. Maybe leave it for a decade or two.

MAGA wishes it had the control over industries and speech that European governments have. Give me a break

I mean — Brendan Carr seems to be able to bully the TV industry pretty successfully on behalf of MAGA. Trump shakes down businesses for a government cut — Intel for example. You are deporting foreigners based on their opinions. Trump shook down most of the major law firms for pro-bono work based only on a false perception of his mistreatment. He's pursued and pretty successfully harassed major universities into various forms of consent decree. People lost their jobs for exercising their free speech over Charlie Kirk (most of whom did not really see any kind of restoration). Trump extracted settlements from major news networks for content he didn't like based on his own fantasy misunderstanding.

The list goes on and on and on — Europe as a whole does not act in this thuggish, extrajudicial, capricious way.

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Post by tim333 »

throw0101c wrote: post #102
carefree-bob wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from the "Crocodile Dundee" and "Men at Work" phenomena in the late 80s, there is no real cultural pollination between Australia and the US, as far as I can tell. It's too far away and there are no real reasons for Americans to visit, nor are there enough internationally notable Australian music brands, films, or products that give visibility to the country, which is one price of being a commodity producing nat…

> "Men at Work" I was confused for a little while: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_at_Work_(1990_film)

I think it might be https://youtu.be/XfR9iY5y94s
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