Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

wsj.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 463 posts

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#361

Post by Betelbuddy »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #282
cmiles8 wrote: post #73

This interview with an AWS leader isn’t aging well, from CBS Sunday morning: Pogue asked, "I don't mean to give anyone ideas, but let's say I figured out that one of these unmarked buildings was an AWS data center, and I blew it up. Are you saying that it's so backed up and redundant that you probably wouldn't notice?" Wood replied, "Yeah, you wouldn't notice. I mean, we might be a bit upset, but you wouldn't notice!…

Unless you have a synchronous like setup where you don’t acknowledge data writes unless the remote has aconowledged them first, you will lose data in case your datacenter is hit by a warhead. Now, there are a few things to consider: - AWS best practices recommend multiple AZs for workloads and cross-region backups for things like databases and other “stateful” data - You have to read the fine-print on what AWS offers…

>> and all AZs there went dark,

An extraordinary statement itself that shows the difference between a proper cloud where they AZs are at least 60 to 100 miles apart...and Google or Microsoft... pretend clouds...where those AZs are just firewalls across the same data center...

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#362

Post by mitxela »

Betelbuddy wrote: post #312
mitxela wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS promises to keep data safe without requiring cross region redundancy. If you choose not to trust them that's valid but then why use them at all?

>> AWS promises to keep data safe without requiring cross region redundancy. A perfect example of a claim they never made.

S3 is advertised as having 11 9's. That means in the entire history of S3 they've only lost a handful of objects, and will continue to lose objects at this same rate.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#363

Post by paganel »

RugnirViking wrote: post #350
paganel wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a Gramscian understanding of the world it is, yes. Forget Gramsci, right now I'm finishing reading a book by Maurice Gauchet [1] (not a leftist by any means) whos's saying exactly that, i.e. that neo-liberalism is very much defined by its insistence on relying on " le juridique" > Ce dérèglement se manifeste avant tout par la réduction de la démocratie à une logique juridique, le néolibéralisme ayant imposé une co…

so a sort of "the law says its okay so how dare you say its immoral. It's my right to do this" sort of thing?

Yeah, that sort of thing, where the law sort of dictates the current morality based on the "morality" the of above mentioned neo-liberal order/current state of things.

Of course that all this is kind of circular, meaning the (neo-liberal) morality imposing itself via law on the current (and by now surpassed) morality, but that's how things usually go when it comes to societal theory.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#364

Post by mitxela »

jeltz wrote: post #357
mitxela wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the Bahrain legal system force the USA to pay reparations for the war it started? Seize all US assets, the way we did with Russia?

I mean that is how it works in all legal systems. If you refuse to pay your assets will be seized. Which is why they would almost certainly not refuse.

What assets does the US have in Bahrain? Military bases? How do you seize a military base without getting blown up?

The US would obviously retaliate by seizing Bahrain's assets in the US, which probably includes 100% of Bahrain's money (small countries don't get to have independent financial systems).

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#365

Post by instakill »

birdatlaw wrote: post #69
r_lee wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the government requirements requires me to store data only in UAE!

turns out reading comprehension skills have still not gotten better in the future

off-topic but nice username. Fan of Charlie Kelly?

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#366

Post by scott_w »

avereveard wrote: post #271
lelanthran wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is a CEO going to believe? Amazon, Microsoft and the entire IT infra division or that lone SRE who disagrees with them? I mean, every time cloud comes up on HN we see legions of techies posting strowman arguments about why you should offload everything onto AWS, GCP, Azure, etc.

Aws cto is basically opening every presentation with a everything breaks all the time slide, idk where you get that idea they oversell the cloud resilience

The customer CEO never watched that presentation.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#367

Post by amelius »

steveBK123 wrote: post #235
cmiles8 wrote: post #73

This interview with an AWS leader isn’t aging well, from CBS Sunday morning: Pogue asked, "I don't mean to give anyone ideas, but let's say I figured out that one of these unmarked buildings was an AWS data center, and I blew it up. Are you saying that it's so backed up and redundant that you probably wouldn't notice?" Wood replied, "Yeah, you wouldn't notice. I mean, we might be a bit upset, but you wouldn't notice!…

There's something reassuring in this for me. There's a lot of magic & handwaving from hyperscalers like AWS about redundancy. I always wondered about some of the engineering to make this absolutely (and literally) bullet proof. At the end of the day most of their answers when you push hard enough involved paying 2-3x to run everything across multiple zones/regions, and lots of awareness in your application to handle…

They should have asked AI to implement the redundancy.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#368

Post by jojobas »

lostlogin wrote: post #263
nomel wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's an unstable region, then it might not result in a good return, especially since a blown up data center is 100% loss.

This is focusing in too close. Bezos has been working with Trump. The instability has been hugely exacerbated by Trump. The issue lies at home.

Yeah, Iran blowing up half the Middle East? Totally Bezos' fault.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#369

Post by pjc50 »

pembrook wrote: post #299

Ahhh the downside of “data sovereignty” rules and the de-globalization meme strikes again. I’d bet a bajillion dollars the reason this happened is due to government thinking it’s a good idea to make it illegal to store data outside their country. Hey EU, take note of this next time you create silly data residency requirements that don’t allow data to travel outside your region. Encryption is an easy solution to multi…

This is a valid point if you're not so confrontational about it.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

#370

Post by niltecedu »

criemen wrote: post #68
noir_lord wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Works unless local laws specifically block you doing that which they do for some classes of data in some countries. Multi-cloud in the same country (if that exists in the country and is far enough apart) maybe .

Do cloud providers even share data center locations so you can assess the "far enough" bit yourself?

Kinda they do? Atleast our company knows the exact location of ours
Post reply on HN