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AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by jasonkhanlar »

cmiles8 wrote: post #73

This interview with an AWS leader isn’t aging well, from CBS Sunday morning: Pogue asked, "I don't mean to give anyone ideas, but let's say I figured out that one of these unmarked buildings was an AWS data center, and I blew it up. Are you saying that it's so backed up and redundant that you probably wouldn't notice?" Wood replied, "Yeah, you wouldn't notice. I mean, we might be a bit upset, but you wouldn't notice!…

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Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by paganel »

dotancohen wrote: post #309
upboundspiral wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a law perhaps, but an ingrained neoliberal philosophy that is pervasive in certain management cultures in the US definitely.

Neoliberal philosophy is stable ground for a lawsuit?

In a Gramscian understanding of the world it is, yes. Forget Gramsci, right now I'm finishing reading a book by Maurice Gauchet [1] (not a leftist by any means) whos's saying exactly that, i.e. that neo-liberalism is very much defined by its insistence on relying on " le juridique"

> Ce dérèglement se manifeste avant tout par la réduction de la démocratie à une logique juridique, le néolibéralisme ayant imposé une conception où le droit, érigé en garant exclusif de la liberté individuelle, relègue le politique à une fonction purement gestionnaire

automatically translated as

> This dysfunction manifests itself primarily through the reduction of democracy to a legalistic logic, as neoliberalism has imposed a conception in which the law—elevated to the status of exclusive guarantor of individual liberty—relegates the political realm to a purely managerial function.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Gauchet

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by RugnirViking »

kakacik wrote: post #337
jvm___ wrote: post #324

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It's funny because this applies to children cleaning home bathrooms as a Saturday chore as well.

I think it applies to all humans of all ages in one way or another, these varying imperfections is what makes us what we are

its not true. If everyone actually did the bare minimum, everything would screech to a halt immediately. In fact people doing that imo is part of what causes the decline of empires. You can, in fact, trust people further than you can throw them.

Its a cousin of the mindset that the reason people don't steal is because they think they will be caught and rationally weigh up based on the value they gain and the chance of loss that its not a worthwhile action.

No, most of the time people steal because they think its wrong, and they dont want to do it.

Public trust is a real thing and varies massively by country. America is notably extremly low on this metric

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by jasonkhanlar »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #301
SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #242

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There are grounds legally if shareholders can prove that the "long-term risk reduction" argument is a lie, they can sue under the Duty of Loyalty. In reality, yes, this amounts nuisance lawsuits, large settlements and disruption at the board level. In practice, this and the executive pay structures almost always incentivizes short-term decisions and these risks become problems “for the next person.”

This is Matt Levine's theory of "everything is securities fraud". Something bad happens, stock goes down, angry shareholders sue because they should have been told the bad thing would happen and the stock would go down.

Shareholders? Hmmmm...

https://secform4.com/insider-trading/1018724.htm + https://i.imgur.com/tMBfGee.png = ?

Cue security entitlements, e.g. https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/69-2025/testimony/SJUD-2364-202...

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Post by albert_e »

silon42 wrote: post #321
avereveard wrote: post #271

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Aws cto is basically opening every presentation with a everything breaks all the time slide, idk where you get that idea they oversell the cloud resilience

They could offer controlled "failure of service" service where they randomly take stuff offline and you have to pay to get it back if you don't have a backup/recovery strategy.

AWS Fault Injection Service

https://aws.amazon.com/fis/

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/fis/latest/userguide/what-is.htm...

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by knorker »

Edman274 wrote: post #265
vkou wrote: post #51

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In a war where schools and bridges and aid convoys and bread lines are targeted, anyone should consider themselves a valid target. It's true that you are less likely to be a target than a state-sponsored tech megacorp's data centers, but the risk is still present.

An AWS data center is going to look like a bright shining beacon on the CARVER matrix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARVER_matrix What CARVER score would you give an AWS data center? I would probably put it around the 40 to 50s. Where would you put your own individual company by itself on the CARVER matrix as it relates to enemy forces? Pretty damn low.

Which is why your job as a responsible company you should have verified your offsite backups on 28th Feb.

Just like you would if wildfires started breaking new records in Oregon, if that's where your (for some reason sole) cloud region is.

It should already be set up, of course, but from a data point of view this is when you're thankful that at least this raised risk came with a heads up.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by pembrook »

WA wrote: post #334
pembrook wrote: post #299

Ahhh the downside of “data sovereignty” rules and the de-globalization meme strikes again. I’d bet a bajillion dollars the reason this happened is due to government thinking it’s a good idea to make it illegal to store data outside their country. Hey EU, take note of this next time you create silly data residency requirements that don’t allow data to travel outside your region. Encryption is an easy solution to multi…

The EU is big enough to have several geographically independent data centers. without leaving the sovereign territory.

Yes there’s never been division or wars in Europe and the EU will always exist…

Germany and France in a debt spiral and turning inward/hyper-nationalist while massively re-militarizing means the EU is a safe place to structure your data with zero redundancy.

I wouldn’t bother worrying about key industries and functions, since, as history has shown, the EU is a bulletproof institution that no country has ever left.

And of course every data center in Europe has Israel-grade air defenses, it’s not like they are just sitting ducks for a fleet of drones to take out within 24 hours.

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Post by rbanffy »

chasd00 wrote: post #74
rbanffy wrote: post #22

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The more dramatic contingency you have to plan for, the more expensive the plan gets. Earlier this week I mentioned that if we lose enough data centres to bring our operation down, the first items in the to-do list becomes securing weapons, vehicles and fuel.

> to-do list becomes securing weapons, vehicles and fuel. I toured a datacenter once back in the early 2000s and they showed me 30 days of generator fuel storage. When i asked them why 30 days and not 35 they replied "we're such a major customer of both electricity and fuel that if we don't get electricity or fuel for 30 days there's way bigger problems than your website not being online" hah.

I had a similar discussion in the low 1990s at a large electronic manufacturer that had a pair of Unisys mainframes, one in São Paulo and another in Manaus, in the Amazon region communicating over a satellite link (two large 3m dishes on both places). There was one question of what happens if both fail at the same time, and I pointed that anything that takes out São Paulo and Manaus at the same time is a civilisation ending event, and we shouldn’t worry too much about that.

Anyway, we had a load shedding agreement with a large bank across the street from São Paulo and we could switch over to their Unisys mainframe in a matter of minutes, and vice versa.

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Post by RugnirViking »

paganel wrote: post #342
dotancohen wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neoliberal philosophy is stable ground for a lawsuit?

In a Gramscian understanding of the world it is, yes. Forget Gramsci, right now I'm finishing reading a book by Maurice Gauchet [1] (not a leftist by any means) whos's saying exactly that, i.e. that neo-liberalism is very much defined by its insistence on relying on " le juridique" > Ce dérèglement se manifeste avant tout par la réduction de la démocratie à une logique juridique, le néolibéralisme ayant imposé une co…

so a sort of "the law says its okay so how dare you say its immoral. It's my right to do this" sort of thing?
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