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AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by justonenote »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #14

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this is reductionist to the point of absurdism.

It can be true that using cloud storage, using managed services, and paying a premium is still worth it for a lot of people and organizations, and while not perfect, still a hell of a lot better compared to the fully in your control tape backups that you distribute to different physical locations every week.

I'm not a particular fan of relying on one provider or vendor lock in, but to pretend they don't provide a service with failure rates that are low enough to be very useful is a very short-sighted take.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by ares623 »

rbanffy wrote: post #22
Art9681 wrote: post #18

No disaster recovery plan? No offsite backups? Someone failed to applied the most basic principles that have existed for decades.

The more dramatic contingency you have to plan for, the more expensive the plan gets. Earlier this week I mentioned that if we lose enough data centres to bring our operation down, the first items in the to-do list becomes securing weapons, vehicles and fuel.

"Daddy, where were you when the flames reached our house?"

"I was in the office, reviewing Terraform plans"

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by shevy-java »

knorker wrote: post #29
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #14

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What's you point? That if you had run your own DC in that region (because that was your business requirement) then you'd have better missile defense than AWS? Or maybe AWS or DIY, you are always responsible for geographic diversity? Anyone losing data over this lost it because they'd literally told AWS to only store it in one place.

How about not bombing other countries and then acting surprised when retaliation happens? I mean clearly the problem isn't AWS as such - it is the problem that someone leading a country is totally clueless about the world. Only personal profit is in the interest of the orange clown.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by wewewedxfgdf »

knorker wrote: post #29
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #14

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What's you point? That if you had run your own DC in that region (because that was your business requirement) then you'd have better missile defense than AWS? Or maybe AWS or DIY, you are always responsible for geographic diversity? Anyone losing data over this lost it because they'd literally told AWS to only store it in one place.

The point is that AWS has the same problem as Wildberries.

There is no difference at all between Wildberries and AWS data centers.

If you don't know what Wildberries is then go watch their facilities systematically destroyed on YouTube - centralisation is a target.

If your organization runs on AWS then you should have a contingency plan for the data center being destroyed by drones. Is that on your risk management plan?

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by burnt-resistor »

50%+ of companies that lose all of their data go out of business in 6 months.

DR/BCP costs are readily justified by doing a Business Impact Analysis (BIA).. budget up to some fraction of risk cost * risk probability.

And a friendly reminder that replication isn't a tested data backup.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by advisedwang »

Art9681 wrote: post #18

No disaster recovery plan? No offsite backups? Someone failed to applied the most basic principles that have existed for decades.

That depends on the data. If this is EBS or single-AZ S3, then from Amazon's perspective this was correct. Backup responsibly (for any data that does need to be backed up) lives with the customer, and Amazon has no way of knowing about that. EBS data data is unrecoverable, and that's what's reported.

Now if this was multi-AZ S3 or whatever then this would be significant.

The article does not tell us what products were impacted.

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