Well… they have a good excuse.
AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran
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Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran
#22No disaster recovery plan? No offsite backups? Someone failed to applied the most basic principles that have existed for decades.
The more dramatic contingency you have to plan for, the more expensive the plan gets.
Earlier this week I mentioned that if we lose enough data centres to bring our operation down, the first items in the to-do list becomes securing weapons, vehicles and fuel.
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#23They guaranteed 11 9's durability, didn't they? e: Yep https://aws.amazon.com/s3/storage-classes/
Considering all the data they have globally, they might still be compliant.
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#24Does this mean that even with 3 availability zones for Amazon S3 storage, that some data is lost?
For me-south-1 (Bahrain), all 3 data centres providing the redundancy were blown up by Iran.[1] The redundancy was localised to small geographic area and a single government--something customers of AWS were hopefully aware of when they entrusted AWS with their data. It's always buyer beware for any claims of availability. Engineers completing a FMECA[2] will (or should) always state upfront what type of failure modes…
As far as I know, the attacks happened at different times. If Amazon knew that they had lost some data redundancy, shouldn’t they have been quickly mirroring that out of the region?
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#25They guaranteed 11 9's durability, didn't they? e: Yep https://aws.amazon.com/s3/storage-classes/
Even if they have payable SLA on this, most SLAs have Acts of God and Acts of War exemption.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
War did not randomly came. America intentionally caused it. And has lawless goverment and unaccountable tech industry making it bad place for data.
I wonder if Amazon can sue the US govt bc they basically caused this material loss to their business. I'm sure they cannot. Maybe a lawyer can explain why?
In US courts you can sue anyone for anything but you might not win. The US government has sovereign immunity from most civil liability. As for the legal system in Bahrain I have no idea but hypothetically even if Amazon could somehow win a judgment they wouldn't be able to collect.
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#27What a nightmare scenario to tabletop. How do you even begin to recover from something like this?
Backups in a different region?
Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran
#28Does this mean that even with 3 availability zones for Amazon S3 storage, that some data is lost?
I think so.
Although the more paranoid AWS customers who turned on (and pay for) S3 cross region replication or similar cross region DR for other services would be fine.
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What's you point? That if you had run your own DC in that region (because that was your business requirement) then you'd have better missile defense than AWS?
Or maybe AWS or DIY, you are always responsible for geographic diversity?
Anyone losing data over this lost it because they'd literally told AWS to only store it in one place.
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#30Does this mean that even with 3 availability zones for Amazon S3 storage, that some data is lost?
For me-south-1 (Bahrain), all 3 data centres providing the redundancy were blown up by Iran.[1] The redundancy was localised to small geographic area and a single government--something customers of AWS were hopefully aware of when they entrusted AWS with their data. It's always buyer beware for any claims of availability. Engineers completing a FMECA[2] will (or should) always state upfront what type of failure modes…
AZs weren’t meant to be disaster resistant, eg, an earthquake or hurricane could take out a whole region.
Regions were always the scale of disaster isolation on AWS.