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Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by plaidfuji »

dansquizsoft wrote: post #226
Eridrus wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI/Anthropic are being valued at 25/50% of Alphabet respectively in secondary markets. Maybe everybody is wrong about how valuable these companies will be, but atm it looks very dumb to not be competitive in coding.

Google is not being dumb or making some 4D strategic move by not going after coding capabilities. Occam's Razor is overwhelmingly that they just don't have the organisational capability to capture this market. If they did then they absolutely would have.

Occam’s Razor could also simply be that OpenAI and Anthropic are massively overvalued.

If OpenAI or Anthropic go away tomorrow, people find a new model and move on. If Google goes away tomorrow, people’s lives would be severely disrupted, and in the case of Gmail / Drive / auth access, even temporarily collapse.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by verdverm »

c0nducktr wrote: post #230
verdverm wrote: post #222

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> brings up a live chat prompt. They're serving fast AI to billions of users Just because it shows up does not mean it is being used. I only click the feedback button to tell them how much I dislike their Ai summaries. They have removed that feedback button this week. Can't take the heat I suppose. I've also never know anyone who finds them trustworthy nor heard someone say anything besides how they also dislike them

A lot of my friends will say "Well, the google AI says this" so they're using it, and maybe they don't trust the answers, but I think the thing is that they're using it. "It's AI but anyway", seems to be a way to use it, but not promote that your using it? There's a significant amount of people in my friend group who don't like "AI", but everyone seems to use what google's doing, even if they add the "the AI said thi…

there's a difference between reading the ai generated summary, almost certainly cached for many questions just like trad search results, and actually clicking and interacting with the Ai, where the suggested billions people having gemini sessions. Google's own reported token volume would not indicate billions of people are chatting with gemini

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Post by brabel »

jeanbza wrote: post #115

My first language is Afrikaans, which is a somewhat niche language and hard to find teachers/conversation buddies outside South Africa. (I live in USA now) I've been using Gemini to live chat in Afrikaans and do impromptu Afrikaans grammar lessons during my solo drives around town. It is phenomenal at speaking the language - like, it really shocks my family members when they hear it. This is probably the most joy I g…

I had a funny moment with ChatGPT. I was talking to it in English and then asked it to speak Swedish with me. It did, but with an English accent. But if you just start a session in Swedish, it speaks Swedish perfectly with local accent ( I guess Stockholm accent is closer to the truth)! Just thought that was really interesting.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by epistasis »

galkk wrote: post #231

I don’t understand good experiences people are having with Gemini. It’s the only model that sometimes loses/forgets context in literally next message. Plus feeding unasked product links to responses.

It is by far the least accurate of any model I have used too. For a company that was started to organize the world's information, it has by far the most misinformation I've encountered.

I couldn't even get it to tell me how to pay for antigravity, it sent me on some fruitless paths and eventually said "you shouldn't pay for this, it's too hard to figure it out."

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Post by mncharity »

tomaskafka wrote: post #277
mncharity wrote: post #234

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Fwiw, it's been very easy to nudge Qwen 27B/35B to think in Chinese. No need for prefills like "思考：" ("Think:") or such. Relatedly, when chatting with frontier models about science education content design, I've found it very helpful to mix in Chinese education terms. In English, for example, NGSS is such a massive attractor, discussing nearby topics often yields NGSS "slop". And "estimation" (educational) in the US…

The newly opened possibility to learn“how non-English cultures do X” is criminally underutilized.

Does European public dialog do much causal comparisons among states? Does somewhere else?

Or do you mean professionally... Instead of merely searching for "ways to do X", one might translate the query into a couple of languages, and translate the results, to get a broader culture sampling. Hmm... That seems something an AI-based search could integrate smoothly - cross cultural insights as a normal part of search results?

While there's a lot of diversity in policy and culture among US regions and states, contrasting them isn't leveraged much. Perhaps failing a "that's analysis, not news" threshold for being part of public dialog? So maybe it's not "non-English cultures" neglected as much as comparative discussion in general?

One "criminally underutilized" which really struck me, was Japan having a far more sensible and powerful COVID safety one-liner than the US managed - "Three C's" (Closed spaces, Crowded places, and Close-range contact - poorly-ventilated / crowd / conversation-contact - avoid overlapping all three) vs "6-foot rule".

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Post by SyneRyder »

coda_ wrote: post #205
SyneRyder wrote: post #131

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Agreed. I've been using GPT-Live-1 this week, with Claude as the backend brain. It's amazing, feels like working with Jarvis. It certainly made me feel there's no point in human telephone support now - but I'm sure I'd find edge cases if that really was something I wanted to build out myself.

Oh... Interesting! How do you have Claude as the backend brain for GPT-Live-1? I'm not very happy with live conversations with Claude, so this seems like it might be a good option.

So, the way GPT-Live-1 works, the Live model just handles the conversation layer in a lightweight manner. For any deeper thinking (and I think tool calls) it will delegate to the Backend. It's like how Fable can delegate tasks to Opus while it keeps going. The Live voice can keep chatting to you while it waits for results from the Backend.

The default for the Backend is a Responses Delegation that just sends it to another OpenAI hosted model. But you can set the API up to use Client Delegation instead, and have your client/harness receive the delegation request. At that point, your client can delegate it to a Claude instead, and have Claude do the deeper thinking. Unfortunately you're not actually talking to a Claude, even if it identifies as one, but you can at least talk to something informed by Claude.

As for how to build that - I just had Fable build/vibe the whole thing for me. I used Go for the language, and SDL 3 to handle the audio & microphone side, even though it's just a command line app for now. I've previously been working on SDL3 bindings to Golang, and a personal AI harness with tool-calling & local MCP stdio support, so it's possible my Fable re-used some of that code. But Fable can whip something together, and the most basic tools (read,write,edit,datetime) are all really easy to add to a harness as built-in tools that you can let it call.

The main downside is that Anthropic probably wants you to run it as API, so costs can blow out. And depending how you setup the harness, either every backend call is a fresh new Claude window (to which you're sending a LOT of context), of you need a way to maintain a persistent Claude conversation that you queue requests to, but at least then the context is all in one window & you can benefit from caching.

But if you get it running, and play with it a bit, you'll realize this is obviously the future interface. Typing into a terminal window feels archaic. Even if we're not quite there yet, we're tantalizingly close... and anyone who has a 3D-printer & a robot arm connected via MCP/tool calls, well, this gives them Iron Man's Jarvis right now.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by MobzAlex »

asdfman123 wrote: post #151
jeanbza wrote: post #115

My first language is Afrikaans, which is a somewhat niche language and hard to find teachers/conversation buddies outside South Africa. (I live in USA now) I've been using Gemini to live chat in Afrikaans and do impromptu Afrikaans grammar lessons during my solo drives around town. It is phenomenal at speaking the language - like, it really shocks my family members when they hear it. This is probably the most joy I g…

I love Gemini in Google Maps for long drives. I start getting bored of music and podcasts and start grilling it with random questions I've always wondered about.

Gemini Live now can be used to talk to any article on the web. I asked questions on the Gemini Live launch, got examples and use cases all live. https://app.digitalu.live/demo/6FRMzTD-pv

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Post by pixl97 »

normie3000 wrote: post #239
mncharity wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fwiw, it's been very easy to nudge Qwen 27B/35B to think in Chinese. No need for prefills like "思考：" ("Think:") or such. Relatedly, when chatting with frontier models about science education content design, I've found it very helpful to mix in Chinese education terms. In English, for example, NGSS is such a massive attractor, discussing nearby topics often yields NGSS "slop". And "estimation" (educational) in the US…

This is an interesting post, but as a non-American it's hard to understand what's it's alluding to in some parts. The one criticism of NGSS I found from a quick skim of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Generation_Science_Standa... is that it teaches evolution. What does "estimation" mean in the US?!

>is that it teaches evolution.

Yes, and that brings in a shit load of slop to the problem space from the creationists.

Like how the word life will have a strong correlation with death, the word animate, while it also means alive will have a much less strong correlation with death.

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