I'm starting to explore alternative options because Claude has become an awful value proposition. Any suggestions?
Of the major providers, Codex/Astra. By far the highest quality model, especially for cross-discipline work.
Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
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Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#82I'm starting to explore alternative options because Claude has become an awful value proposition. Any suggestions?
I turned off Anthropic properly and switched all of that over to OpenAI yesterday. (I use other models for other things too, especially DeepSeek in Pi). Honestly aside from the voice it uses you wouldn't notice a difference. Switching costs are low, vote with your wallet.
OpenAI is a better value proposition too because they give you effectively infinite image generation + chat usage, which is separate from work/codex.
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#83People keep asking for this w/ Codex, too, and I really regret that both labs seem inclined to listen. If you ask a thinking/research type question in 'Chat' versus 'Work' mode in these products -- say, something complex about politics, or do a multiturn business strategy, or want to work thru a new concept, you get very different answers. The harness, steering, etc. in the chat/reasoning products is so much better f…
I hope not Chat is still all you can eat and Work uses Codex tokens. I can see why they would want people to think they wanted this without thinking about how it currently works. If Chat starts eating tokens then there is not much reason to use Chat other than most people don't live in the command line like developers. Claude Chat / Cowork already eats tokens either way so not much of a change really. I have never us…
This is my main reason for not using Work. I was tempted to use a few "scheduled tasks" in ChatGPT, but once I found out they used Codex tokens I stopped creating new ones.
I already burn through Codex too fast.
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#84Nobody really knows how to product-ize any of these LLM interfaces beyond just chat. They don't want a traditional UI with buttons and forms and labels because they want the interface to be "chat". The problem is that "chat" is tedious. And the turn-based, linear nature of the chat interaction model makes it even more tedious and unproductive.
Before OpenAI dropped ChatGPT, nobody knew chat would be such a hit. Several labs had versions of these things, Google engineers were getting finessed by a rudimentary model just like in the movie Ex Machina that came out 10 years prior which was satirizing Google But I don't agree that they aren't product-ized. There are many applications doing calls to LLMs behind the scenes and are hits, leveraging structured data…
Can you give examples of wrapped LLM logic?
API calls are expensive and slow, so I’ve shied away from integrating them into my personal projects. And of course there’s always the risk of hallucination.
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#85Less is more. Thanks.
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#86These kinds of updates always have this romantic scenario of someone having Claude develop a presentation or something on their way to work between multiple devices, which actually feels a little sad and does not align with what happens in my life at all.
This is a nightmare scenario to me. "Claude, prepare me a presentation on XYZ." I get to work, go straight to the meeting room, and pull up what it made to present. It's barely coherent nonsense. Lots of irrelevant details, buzz words, wrong charts or confusing phrasing. Obviously LLM output. I read it out. When I'm done, I get a question about one of Claude's incorrectly inferred details. The shame instantly kills m…
Someone I know does this, and seems to think it's a flex, because he bragged about it being "the first time I've actually seen this presentation" a few times during the presentation.
It was all awful.
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope not Chat is still all you can eat and Work uses Codex tokens. I can see why they would want people to think they wanted this without thinking about how it currently works. If Chat starts eating tokens then there is not much reason to use Chat other than most people don't live in the command line like developers. Claude Chat / Cowork already eats tokens either way so not much of a change really. I have never us…
This is my main reason for not using Work. I was tempted to use a few "scheduled tasks" in ChatGPT, but once I found out they used Codex tokens I stopped creating new ones. I already burn through Codex too fast.
I recommend using Work sparingly because sometimes it is the better choice, but I do ration it. With Claude I simply don't use the web/app chat at all (and I have no idea what Cowork even does ngl, never used it) I think there's a Claude Design? No idea why I would need it (mostly, why I would spend tokens on it lol)
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#88These kinds of updates always have this romantic scenario of someone having Claude develop a presentation or something on their way to work between multiple devices, which actually feels a little sad and does not align with what happens in my life at all.
I've found basically all of the release presentations are completely irrelevant and seem to target a very narrow subset of the population. They're always reserving something like a restaurant or a sports venue or generating a new slide deck for their business meeting. Perhaps these companies would do better if they could make a use case for regular people. You know, the 90% of the folks out there working normal jobs and not spending infinite money. I don't think I know a single person who has made a restaurant reservation more than once or twice (mostly never) in their entire life. Maybe I'm the weirdo here, but I can't relate to any of these demonstrations.
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a nightmare scenario to me. "Claude, prepare me a presentation on XYZ." I get to work, go straight to the meeting room, and pull up what it made to present. It's barely coherent nonsense. Lots of irrelevant details, buzz words, wrong charts or confusing phrasing. Obviously LLM output. I read it out. When I'm done, I get a question about one of Claude's incorrectly inferred details. The shame instantly kills m…
Someone I know does this, and seems to think it's a flex, because he bragged about it being "the first time I've actually seen this presentation" a few times during the presentation. It was all awful.
“I came in unprepared. Please hold your applause.”
Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a nightmare scenario to me. "Claude, prepare me a presentation on XYZ." I get to work, go straight to the meeting room, and pull up what it made to present. It's barely coherent nonsense. Lots of irrelevant details, buzz words, wrong charts or confusing phrasing. Obviously LLM output. I read it out. When I'm done, I get a question about one of Claude's incorrectly inferred details. The shame instantly kills m…
Why on earth would you present a presentation that you haven't reviewed ahead of time?
Because you think ChatGPT will do the job for you, and sadly, the quality drop doesn’t universally hurt people