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PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by wuhhh »

tetromino_ wrote: post #52
sva_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The scene used to be a group of highly talented researchers, but now it is just a bunch of noobs using LLMs and writing hacks they don't even understand. Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony. Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually (which probably took a significant amount of time.) I can pa…

> Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually Nope. He is salty because someone made public the secret exploit that Linux-on-PS5 apparently relies upon to bypass Sony's hypervisor protection. Now Sony will fix the exploit, and there will be no more Linux on the PS5 until another exploit is found.

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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

gafferongames wrote: post #119

Gatekeeping at its finest

Gatekeeping is a good thing. It's how communities stay healthy and vibrant. Gatekeeping means that when someone shows up to your birdwatching club and says "I hate going outdoors, can we just look at photos of birds from the Internet?", you politely but firmly say "sorry, this isn't the club for you". If you don't do this, then soon enough your club won't be about birdwatching at all, but will be about looking at pictures on the Internet. Same goes for any other community or subculture: it is perfectly okay to say "we aren't changing our standards, and this activity may not be for you".

Of course gatekeeping can also be toxic. But anything can be toxic if applied too much. You can die from water poisoning, that doesn't mean water is bad. It means you need to not overdo it. I've seen what a lack of gatekeeping has done to many communities I used to enjoy (including programming), and I think it's high time we did more gatekeeping. We don't want to overdo it, but right now we are doing far too little and that needs to change.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by xethos »

Den_VR wrote: post #64
deletedie wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather, he's annoyed because the LLM User submitted the exploit to Sony (to get paid) and killed the only known viable path forward for development.

Any noticing what it paid?

"Everyone else enjoying this got screwed, but how much did the one guy get paid do we think?"

Having the money to pour into an LLM to find this tautologically means it won't have been a life-chaning amount of money, and does not engender support for the person that reported the exploit to Sony

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by Brian_K_White »

Muromec wrote: post #163
PunchyHamster wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so much worse than just that. Because they will also decide on how problem should be solved by prompting LLM and ask you to argument doing it any other way vs the LLM slop they pasted

It which point you reject the PR and suggest them to maintain a fork themselves.

I'd say don't bother suggesting anything.

Not as a rule for all prs you want to reject, but any time it seems to be no-effort pure ai. Both to waste as little of your own time and effort as possible, but also to to help make this activity not rewarding.

I wouldn't worry about false positives and being unfair. This is self defense and also community defense. Anyone legit will manage to get your attention. You'd be filtering not on any specific detail or rule but on simply "care".

If a legit person fails to convince you that they are a human that cares, then that's just an unfortunate industrial accident. It's unfortunate but trying to do anything about it is worse.

Besides, any actual adult understands that if they can't prove their age right now, then they can't buy a drink right now, even though they normally have that right, and is never the one trying to cry about the travesty of justice at being denied. If I submit a pr that fails your ai sniff test, I get it and don't think you're abusing me. I can try harder and we can be friends later no problem at all.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by IAmBroom »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #144
misterderpie wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't there an article here, or was it under another HN post as a comment? Someone pointed out that the before the dawn of LLMs, "bad contributors" had a rate limiter of sorts. Now anyone can prompt their LLM and throw their output at you, shifting the burden entirely on the reviewer at highest possible speed.

It's so much worse than just that. Because they will also decide on how problem should be solved by prompting LLM and ask you to argument doing it any other way vs the LLM slop they pasted

Quasi-sealioning.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sealioning

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by voidnullvalue »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #91
sva_ wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, I misunderstood. But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then?

It sounds like he had already found it the old fashioned way, then the noobs sic'd the LLMs on it, found it, and he told them "hey chill, we knew about this, don't ruin it" and they ruined it. To quote Dr Ian Malcolm: "If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You…

That quote logically implies that people should be paralyzed to act on any novel information. There is no such thing as a discovery that occurs in a vacuum without some prior art. "Standing on the shoulders of giants"

Then again, its a silly illogical movie

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by sva_ »

bothers wrote: post #170
sva_ wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, I misunderstood. But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then?

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The vagueposting is off the charts. Whats the point of posting shallow dismissals?

If two people independently from you find the same exploit using LLMs, it was clear that it'd leak at some point.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Post by asadm »

dmitrygr wrote: post #183
Aurornis wrote: post #181

Person 1 finds an exploit the old fashioned way. Keeps it secret because they’re doing some PS5 Linux work and want to keep it unpatched until GTA6 releases in 2 weeks. I don’t have a PS5 but I assume new games might require a firmware update to play? Person 2 uses an LLM and finds the same exploit. Person 1 asks Person 2 not to report it and collect the bounty until GTA6 is released. Person 2 agrees. Person 3 also f…

> earned the bounty Yeah, nothing like the hard work of typing "look at this binary and find a bug" The sweat, the tears it must have taken!

everybody has access to the models, including Sony. If they still offer bounty, then they earned the bounty.
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