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The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by mig39 »

nchmy wrote: post #199
CharlesW wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Alex Russell is a Blink partisan, currently supporting Blink at Microsoft and formerly having done so at Google. Folks like that don't take kindly to the idea that a Blink monoculture might not be a great thing, and definitely do not share the opinion that it's critical to the open web that Apple not cede the open web to Blink. Remember, Blink began as Google's 2013 fork of WebKit. They've embraced and exte…

The fact that your "argument" rests upon baseless ad hominem, I'm mostly inclined to not even respond. I'll simply say that if you bothered reading anything (let alone objectively), you'd clearly see that no one is arguing for a blink monoculture. They're arguing for allowing everyone to choose whichever browser and browser engine that you want. Safari included. The math isnt mathing on that site... And, no, safari i…

>safari is NOT capable of PWAs... > They deliberately hobble PWAs and make them very difficult to install.

Hit the share button, "Add to Home Screen" is very difficult to install?

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by nozzlegear »

nchmy wrote: post #129
cyanydeez wrote: post #75

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we have an open web. no ones pays for it. Anyone can put up a PWA. The only org that hates this is Apple. The complaint is about a shared resource, which would require governments to adopt open source policies and _pay_ for it just like they do the post office. But ya'll hate government, so here we are.

why invest in developing a PWA if a significant portion of (particularly wealthy) users cant use it?

How are iOS users not able to use a PWA? Because it takes a few taps to add it to the homescreen? I have several PWAs on my iPhone and I can use them quite well.

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by ignoramous »

rock_artist wrote: post #179
setgree wrote: post #49

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And what should we do about apps' getting hacked, sending out malicious updates that get auto-updated and thereby infecting tens of millions or billions of phones simultaneously? I'm not saying we have the perfect system but anything that slants the system towards "easier downloads" or "less gatekeeping" brings large, obvious risks. I don't see how regulation would address them.

We already had enough proof of vulnerabilities in the OS code and Manufacturers (eg. Samsung/Lenovo/etc privileged apps), there were enough reviewed apps that were used for fraud or access as bad actors. My banking works in my 'unprotected' computer browser. So I'd expect giving anyone equivalent freedom. I don't mind if there's a default for gate-keepers as long as they allow competition. but I would expect to have…

> We already had enough proof of vulnerabilities in the OS code and Manufacturers (eg. Samsung/Lenovo/etc privileged apps)

Vulnerabilities aren't intentional.

> reviewed apps that were used for fraud or access as bad actors

The App Developer Verification program, Android Advanced Protection Mode, and Play Protect are all systems put in place in response to "bad actors".

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by tehlike »

carlosjobim wrote: post #240
tehlike wrote: post #188

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Why do you think apple has point releases that fix... Bugs every time? Not necessarily new features but bugs. Lesson in there.

Do you mean that these point releases introduce bugs that break third party software?

I decided not to engage with you. Not productive.

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by tehlike »

doc_ick wrote: post #181
tehlike wrote: post #160

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You should want higher speed and quality of service from your vendors. In this case, apple is paid wonderfully for it.

Apple has some “trust” for vetting things, and with the wave of slop-apps it fine with a slight delay so the App Store doesn’t become riddled with slop like the android store.

Review speed and slopness are related but not exclusive to each other.

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by braiamp »

killerstorm wrote: post #247
Gareth321 wrote: post #18

MAYBE operating systems shouldn't have gatekeepers which can deny access to billions of customers for any and no reason at all. Apple and Google are WELL past due for regulation in this space. The fact that we cannot download and install software from the internet onto our phones JUST like we can do with our computers is a symbol of our inept and ineffective politicians. And before someone says "well akshully you can…

Back in early 2000s, pretty much all Windows machines were infested with malware. Do you want to bring back those glorious days? Back in the day users didn't really have much valuable and sensitive stuff on their machines and malware was rather benign - just sending spam, not trying to fuck up that specific user. Could be a bit different when it's a smartphone user depends on.

People still can install/run whatever they like on their PCs, so why further restrictions needed or am I missing something? Also, further restrictions doesn't seem to work on the mobile/TV market where actual malware still infects iOS/Android/TV devices despite all the "hops" that it has too go through.

Code signing with warnings about non-signed apps is enough

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by CharlesW »

nchmy wrote: post #199
CharlesW wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Alex Russell is a Blink partisan, currently supporting Blink at Microsoft and formerly having done so at Google. Folks like that don't take kindly to the idea that a Blink monoculture might not be a great thing, and definitely do not share the opinion that it's critical to the open web that Apple not cede the open web to Blink. Remember, Blink began as Google's 2013 fork of WebKit. They've embraced and exte…

The fact that your "argument" rests upon baseless ad hominem, I'm mostly inclined to not even respond. I'll simply say that if you bothered reading anything (let alone objectively), you'd clearly see that no one is arguing for a blink monoculture. They're arguing for allowing everyone to choose whichever browser and browser engine that you want. Safari included. The math isnt mathing on that site... And, no, safari i…

> edit: also, your site is just obviously biased/poorly done

If you can offer recommendations for data-based improvements, I'd sincerely appreciate it! It was made without any concern for Safari "winning", as is probably obvious since it has the lowest score. Methodology described here: https://pwascore.com/about

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by nchmy »

nozzlegear wrote: post #252
nchmy wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why invest in developing a PWA if a significant portion of (particularly wealthy) users cant use it?

How are iOS users not able to use a PWA? Because it takes a few taps to add it to the homescreen? I have several PWAs on my iPhone and I can use them quite well.

it is significantly more complicated - especially for the average user - to install them than on other browsers. other browsers also let developers ask the browser to prompt the user to install the app.

This is all documented in great detail in the links i shared

Re: The Google Play app review process now regularly takes longer than a week

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Post by robocat »

Frieren wrote: post #85
tananaev wrote: post #39

I think inconsistency is really annoying. Hard to rely on it. Most of our reviews clear with a couple hours, but sometimes it gets stuck for days.

This is why goverments have appeal processes and layers of tribunals. To be judged and found guilty by a corporation takes away all your rights.

Do you happen to live in a country where your government departments are known for rapid processing? (not weeks of delay like we're talking about here).

I generally see my legal system create severe delays (regardless of how much that victimises or costs everyone involved)

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