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Dream-RSI: Recursive Self-Improvement through Evolving Worlds

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Re: Dream-RSI: Recursive Self-Improvement through Evolving Worlds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you assume it is revolutionary?

Because “recursive self-improvement” is widely understood, even at labs, as having a non-trivial chance of eradicating human life. This is like asking why a paper called “I discovered God. This is the specific proof.” is revolutionary. Just tedious levels of incredulity.

Anyone who seriously believe that and isn’t being hyperbolic for shock purpose is delusional. It’s a pretty standard research paper, you cannot assume any research that contains the terms RSI to be revolutionary

Re: Dream-RSI: Recursive Self-Improvement through Evolving Worlds

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Unless I'm misunderstanding, calling this RSI seems misleading? This looks like an optimization of current training methods, and a good one, but not "RSI" in the sense of a system that can perpetually improve itself forever.

Does RSI actually mean anything specific anymore? RSI, AGI, at this point seem like buzzwords. Sure AGI has definition that are measurable, say "better than 95% of humans on 95% of intellectual tasks" but if we used that definition we already have AGI and almost no one thinks we have achieved AGI. We use AIs to train AIs which we use to train AIs, why is that not RSI? How much human intervention means that is not RSI…

So few terms in AI are well defined. We will get ASI via AGI because of RSI but neither of those three things have any definition except pure vibes.

I struggle with the argument that RSI doesn't already exist like you say, it's existed since before the term LLM (hey, one that can be defined!) was common parlance. Though the biggest use for those is not superintelligence, it's to serve you ads and get your kids addicted to TikTok.

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Unless I'm misunderstanding, calling this RSI seems misleading? This looks like an optimization of current training methods, and a good one, but not "RSI" in the sense of a system that can perpetually improve itself forever.

Agreed, what I understand from RSI would be models creating new models, or at least upgrading their own weights/architecture. It does not seem to be the case here.

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does RSI actually mean anything specific anymore? RSI, AGI, at this point seem like buzzwords. Sure AGI has definition that are measurable, say "better than 95% of humans on 95% of intellectual tasks" but if we used that definition we already have AGI and almost no one thinks we have achieved AGI. We use AIs to train AIs which we use to train AIs, why is that not RSI? How much human intervention means that is not RSI…

So few terms in AI are well defined. We will get ASI via AGI because of RSI but neither of those three things have any definition except pure vibes. I struggle with the argument that RSI doesn't already exist like you say, it's existed since before the term LLM (hey, one that can be defined!) was common parlance. Though the biggest use for those is not superintelligence, it's to serve you ads and get your kids addict…

RSI has always being a well defined name, and you can only have RSI if you have an intelligence capable or creating itself.

It has technically existed for a long time (for longer than the name), but only on academical applications for extremely limited intelligences that could only create something like themselves. And that is still the only form that exists today.

It was never powerful enough to optimize ads distribution, and all the claims people are pushing around today are plain bullshit.

Re: Dream-RSI: Recursive Self-Improvement through Evolving Worlds

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This is a solid and very interesting paper! The authors were kind enough to publish the complete prompt for it (appendix B.1 on page 18), so anyone can try their approach with any LLM and see the results.

It says to read the complete history. Would that be analogous to reading all of one's chat threads, or just the history of the relevant chat thread that it's a part of?

Re: Dream-RSI: Recursive Self-Improvement through Evolving Worlds

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Perhaps I'm not understanding it correctly, but here's my take on what the paper is doing.

Imagine you have a problem you want to solve (let's say, identify an OCR'd handwritten character, e.g. the MNIST Dataset). You tell 3 agents "Hey, each of you take a stab at getting really good at recognizing characters from this dataset. You can take 10 refinement steps to continue to improve ". You can't give each agent unlimited steps of course, because you have a finite amount of compute.

So each agent goes off, and by the end, Agent 1 got to 90% accuracy, Agent 2 got to 80% accuracy, and Agent 3 got to 89% accuracy. Agent 1 wins, of course.

But then you look at the refinement steps, and after 2 steps, Agent 1 was _already at_ 90% accuracy. So the agent spent the next 8 steps basically not moving at all. Agent 3 on the other hand, perhaps was continuously climbing in accuracy at every refinement step, but hit step 10 and had to stop.

Now because you recorded every step from every agent, you know what you'd do differently next time -- you'd not allocate as many steps to Agent 1, and give Agent 3 more steps, because perhaps that might result in Agent 3 coming up with a better answer.

From my understanding, that's what they built in the form of a "search" controller -- a way to evaluate automatically and reapply how you could allocate resources more effectively, when applied to a new problem.

But I guess my misunderstanding is how applicable the search controller is when applied to new problems -- just because one pathway stalled early for one problem, doesn't mean it would work for another?

Re: Dream-RSI: Recursive Self-Improvement through Evolving Worlds

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does RSI actually mean anything specific anymore? RSI, AGI, at this point seem like buzzwords. Sure AGI has definition that are measurable, say "better than 95% of humans on 95% of intellectual tasks" but if we used that definition we already have AGI and almost no one thinks we have achieved AGI. We use AIs to train AIs which we use to train AIs, why is that not RSI? How much human intervention means that is not RSI…

So few terms in AI are well defined. We will get ASI via AGI because of RSI but neither of those three things have any definition except pure vibes. I struggle with the argument that RSI doesn't already exist like you say, it's existed since before the term LLM (hey, one that can be defined!) was common parlance. Though the biggest use for those is not superintelligence, it's to serve you ads and get your kids addict…

Clearly well-defined must live in a probability bracket. Only humans demand exactitude.

Re: Dream-RSI: Recursive Self-Improvement through Evolving Worlds

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Unless I'm misunderstanding, calling this RSI seems misleading? This looks like an optimization of current training methods, and a good one, but not "RSI" in the sense of a system that can perpetually improve itself forever.

According to industry leaders, we currently have AGI and RSI in the last month or so. Of course, we've seen zero evidence of any of this and have to take their word for it.
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